Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Shut up KT, you know damn well they can't adapt to anything other then mutant DNA. Are you just gonna write paragraph after paragraph now based on nothing but your illogical reasoning.We know you hate superman, but serious, stfu already.
You idiot, sometimes your stupidity boggles my mind. You and other are arguing about whether they can adapt or not which is how I first entered the thread. That is borderline retarded to even go down that path. Why would the OP having superman fight a whole bunch of robots with no adaptive abilities. He even mentions that they can analyze and adapt just not before they encounter him. It couldn't be more clear he wanted them to be able to adapt to superman. So who cares if Superman isn't a mutant or doesn't have an X gene.. it's totally irrelevant. He wanted them to be able to adapt. Period. You're the one writing post after post about a subject null and void
My further correction was people saying Superman doesn't have an X gene thus they can't adapt to him. That isn't even what they used to adapt. The X gene was for them to locate mutants and differentiate people mutant and humans to know who to target. They adapted once they felt their power and then adapted accordingly. Me correcting you and others is no reason to get snotty kid. You're a clownshoes and I accept this
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It couldn't be more clear he wanted them to be able to adapt to superman.
Look who you calling clownshoes, are you really saying this kinda stuff and expect us to swallow it?
You know have stated that they can do the opposite of how they were designed. I might as well say MoS was stronger then Routh, even though it was never shown.
Originally posted by NemeBro
He knows less about Superman than he does about boxing. He knows more about him than he does Lord of the Rings, however.
Funny enough, you know more about LOTR than you do about superman and know even less about boxing. Though, your LOTR knowledge is minimal at best. Though you're funny sometimes
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Look who you calling clownshoes, are you really saying this kinda stuff and expect us to swallow it?You know have stated that they can do the opposite of how they were designed. I might as well say MoS was stronger then Routh, even though it was never shown.
So you honestly believe the OP wanted to pit superman against robots with no adaptive powers? Really? Saying somebody is stronger than somebody else with no proof isn't near the same thing. Not even close. This is taking robots who's main ability and power is to adapt. That's their shtick. Their abilities come from encounter powers and having the ability to adapt to them. It was never stated they could only adapt to mutant powers. Show narration where this was stated. If not, STFU about how they can't. Even if it was directly stated they can't, that doesn't preclude the OP from still having them be able to adapt. We see this all the time clownshoes.. We see slugfest between superman and thor as regular humans. We see batman with no gear against daredevil.. Even though batman almost always has gear. We see environment created that aren't based in reality or were present in the movies with the characters in question. Stop acting like you're bewildered by this and can't believe an OP would have them be able to adapt. It's actually moronic to think he didn't want them to adapt.
Look, I don't see why you guys are so adamant, about the Sentinels not being able to copy Superman's powers. The Krupt guy did point out one thing, and that was that the sentinels DON'T use the mutant X gene to replicate a power, but they use it to locate the mutants. And he is right about that, if ONLY that.
They have a mechanized version of Mystique's power, which lets them simply copy physical mutations. This is also why they couldn't copy things like the teleportation abilities, or Kitty's mental powers. They can only copy physical powers.
And you guys keep throwing around that they wouldn't be able to copy an aliens powers, just because he's an alien. What does that matter though? Kryptonians function EXACTLY like humans do, when under a red sun. They pretty much ARE humans, but with the added ability to be super powerful under any sun, other than a red one. Yet you guys are making it seem like Superman somehow is so different from human mutants, that they couldn't copy his powers. But he IS a biological being, in the same genus as humans, with the same kind of biological power that the mutants have.
And no, the mutants are NOT humans. Humans are specifically Homo Sapien, and the mutants are Homo Superior.
And Lois has children with Superman, in many adaptations. In short, she and Superman CAN produce children. For species to do this, they have to both be of at least the same Genus. This means that Superman is ALSO of the Homo genus, meaning that he is JUST as human as the mutants are, in X-men. Meaning that the Sentinels should be VERY capable of copying his powers, even if only to a weaker degree, since it was already explained that Kryptonians can't be imitated by something, unless it has the capacity to hold the same energy that one does, which is the same energy found in a star. 👆
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Look, I don't see why you guys are so adamant, about the Sentinels not being able to copy Superman's powers. The Krupt guy did point out one thing, and that was that the sentinels DON'T use the mutant X gene to replicate a power, but they use it to locate the mutants. And he is right about that, if ONLY that.They have a mechanized version of Mystique's power, which lets them simply copy physical mutations. This is also why they couldn't copy things like the teleportation abilities, or Kitty's mental powers. They can only copy physical powers.
And you guys keep throwing around that they wouldn't be able to copy an aliens powers, just because he's an alien. What does that matter though? Kryptonians function EXACTLY like humans do, when under a red sun. They pretty much ARE humans, but with the added ability to be super powerful under any sun, other than a red one. Yet you guys are making it seem like Superman somehow is so different from human mutants, that they couldn't copy his powers. But he IS a biological being, in the same genus as humans, with the same kind of biological power that the mutants have.
And no, the mutants are NOT humans. Humans are specifically Homo Sapien, and the mutants are Homo Superior.
And Lois has children with Superman, in many adaptations. In short, she and Superman CAN produce children. For species to do this, they have to both be of at least the same Genus. This means that Superman is ALSO of the Homo genus, meaning that he is JUST as human as the mutants are, in X-men. Meaning that the Sentinels should be VERY capable of copying his powers, even if only to a weaker degree, since it was already explained that Kryptonians can't be imitated by something, unless it has the capacity to hold the same energy that one does, which is the same energy found in a star. 👆
Correct, though I don't know what you mean by if ONLY that. You pretty much repeated what I've been saying on other matters i.e. they can replicate his powers... it doesn't matter that he's an "alien" etc etc... So I'd say it's more than just the mutant x gene you agree with me on
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It was never stated they could only adapt to mutant powers. Show narration where this was stated. If not, STFU about how they can't.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Look, I don't see why you guys are so adamant, about the Sentinels not being able to copy Superman's powers. The Krupt guy did point out one thing, and that was that the sentinels DON'T use the mutant X gene to replicate a power, but they use it to locate the mutants. And he is right about that, if ONLY that.
You two didn't pay attention. But here you go.
"But killing Trask did not have the outcome she expected. It only persuaded the government of the need for his program. They captured her that day, tortured her, experimented on her. In her DNA they discovered the secrets to her powers of transformation. It gave them the key they needed to create weapons that could adapt to any mutant power, and in less than fifty years, the machines that have destroyed so many of our kind were created. But it all started that day in 1973. The day she first killed, the day she truly became Mystique." -Professor X DoFP
Because even if the Sentinels could copy non-mutant powers, KT is still using a no limits fallacy by saying that just because they adapted to Colossus level strength they would be able to adapt to Superman's.
That is like saying that seeing someone lift 100lbs means that person could also lift 5,000lbs.
It's been a while since I saw DoFP, but I'm inclined to agree that Superman and his alien physiology would be something outside what the Sentinels could register and copy. They would try to adapt tactically in order to beat him.
How many would it take? Hard to say. I don't recall MoS Superman fighting a mob, so not sure what approach he'd take, though he does seem to like bodyblocking/ramming/crashing into/through things, and the Sentinels, size-wise, are a good candidate for that.
Frankly, if there is an unending supply of Sentinels, I see this fight going on forever. Kal has only so much surface area to punch, so at best maybe a few Sentinels can hit him at the same time. That won't be anywhere near enough to down him, and he can keep taking out small groups as they approach him.
The Sentinels could win, maybe, if they can hold Kal long enough for a massive, adapting-against-resistance, dog-pile-on-the-rabbit. In that vein -- and given that we haven't seen MoS Kal lift a mini-continent or push back a tectonic plate -- I'd say, "thousands" should do it.
Originally posted by Robtard
You two didn't pay attention. But here you go."But killing Trask did not have the outcome she expected. It only persuaded the government of the need for his program. They captured her that day, tortured her, experimented on her. In her DNA they discovered the secrets to her powers of transformation. It gave them the key they needed to create weapons that could adapt to any mutant power, and in less than fifty years, the machines that have destroyed so many of our kind were created. But it all started that day in 1973. The day she first killed, the day she truly became Mystique." -Professor X DoFP
Huh? I'm well aware of that line and it doesn't
1. Exclude that they could adapt to powers non mutant
2. Doesn't change the fact that I had to correct people that were saying they adapted to the mutant x gene.. when in fact that was used for location and to differentiate.
3. Further still, this doesn't change the fact that the OP likely wanted them to be able to adapt. That is something that can't be gotten around whether they can or not.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Correct, though I don't know what you mean by if ONLY that. You pretty much repeated what I've been saying on other matters i.e. they can replicate his powers... it doesn't matter that he's an "alien" etc etc... So I'd say it's more than just the mutant x gene you agree with me on
No, I said "ONLY" that, because the basis for the rest of your argument was the fact that the OP wanted the Sentinels to be able to absorb Superman's powers.
Going by that logic, it would basically be Superman vs. a hoard of Kryptonian powered robots, which would obviously beat him, since two Kryptonians had the advantage against him. Not to mention that it would be pointless anyway, since that would be giving them powers that they don't have, meaning that the fight wouldn't be the actual movie Sentinels, but fannon ones instead.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Because even if the Sentinels could copy non-mutant powers, KT is still using a no limits fallacy by saying that just because they adapted to Colossus level strength they would be able to adapt to Superman's.That is like saying that seeing someone lift 100lbs means that person could also lift 5,000lbs.
Do you even know what a non limits fallacy is? I mean really this is beyond getting silly now. They were shown adapting to somebody known for their strength and durability. They did so EASILY. It's not up to me to prove that they couldn't adapt to superman's strength. That would be for you to prove. You need to learn where the burden lies. If I would've said.. look they adapted to Kitty's strength thus they could superman's. Sure they would be stretching things some and to an illogical degree. However, when they are shown ripping somebody in half that is incredibly durable and very strong... That isn't stretching things at all. In fact, that is pretty solid proof. Clearly they can adapt to considerable strength and even surpass it (ripping him in half) . Now, if you have proof that they can't adapt to superman level strength but can Colossus level then post it.
Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
No, I said "ONLY" that, because the basis for the rest of your argument was the fact that the OP wanted the Sentinels to be able to absorb Superman's powers.Going by that logic, it would basically be Superman vs. a hoard of Kryptonian powered robots, which would obviously beat him, since two Kryptonians had the advantage against him. Not to mention that it would be pointless anyway, since that would be giving them powers that they don't have, meaning that the fight wouldn't be the actual movie Sentinels, but fannon ones instead.
Are you new to the forums? this happens all the time. Thor fights superman and both have no powers (yet we knew do). Fight between Thanos and superman but Thaoos can't amp his fist (though we know he can and does so regularly) These stipulations happen all the time to make the fight more fair and even give or taken away powers and abilities. This is common place. The reason it makes sense is because he asked how many would it take to beat him. So, the answer could very well be two (using your kryptonian example) or maybe it takes more as some would be destroyed before they adapted. So the fact that he wants them to adapt doesn't in any way make this a non fight. He was simply asking how many would it take.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Huh? I'm well aware of that line and it doesn't1. Exclude that they could adapt to powers non mutant
2. Doesn't change the fact that I had to correct people that were saying they adapted to the mutant x gene.. when in fact that was used for location and to differentiate.
3. Further still, this doesn't change the fact that the OP likely wanted them to be able to adapt. That is something that can't be gotten around whether they can or not.
You're using a no limit fallacy again. "If they can adapt to mutant powers, they can adapt to anything." It's specifically stated and shown that they adapt to mutant powers. If you think they can adapt to something else, no problem, but it's on you to prove it. That's how the burden of proof works. eg If I claimed they could adapt to HP magic, I would have to prove it, not "it's true unless proven false."
Incorrect. They adapt to mutant powers, that would be the [active] mutant x-gene in the person.
Someone making a poorly thought-out fight isn't new in here. It happens.
Originally posted by Mindship
It's been a while since I saw DoFP, but I'm inclined to agree that Superman and his alien physiology would be something outside what the Sentinels could register and copy. They would try to adapt tactically in order to beat him.How many would it take? Hard to say. I don't recall MoS Superman fighting a mob, so not sure what approach he'd take, though he does seem to like bodyblocking/ramming/crashing into/through things, and the Sentinels, size-wise, are a good candidate for that.
Frankly, if there is an unending supply of Sentinels, I see this fight going on forever. Kal has only so much surface area to punch, so at best maybe a few Sentinels can hit him at the same time. That won't be anywhere near enough to down him, and he can keep taking out small groups as they approach him.
The Sentinels could win, maybe, if they can hold Kal long enough for a massive, adapting-against-resistance, dog-pile-on-the-rabbit. In that vein -- and given that we haven't seen MoS Kal lift a mini-continent or push back a tectonic plate -- I'd say, "thousands" should do it.
So you believe the OP wanted superman to fight a whole bunch of robots who can't adapt and vastly limits their ability and formidability? Sorry, that doesn't make logical sense.