Plagueis' FL has lit up fields with barely any effort. His experiments ended in the reveal of midichlorian manipulation, possibly the greatest manipulation of the Force on record and far beyond sorcery. His TP is actually not as great as people like to hype it out to be. Vitiate's best feats are in spirit form and they just aren't applicable here.
Plagueis' power was not far at all from Sidious' own, he is likely the second strongest Sith ever.
Here is some nice crit from the SWTOR Most Powerful thread:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=7979799&postcount=1379
Of course it doesn't account for his new feats, but they are all spirit feats tbh, and midichlorian manipulation > Sith alchemy.
None of that was an argument for Plagueis surpassing Vitiate in the fields I mentioned. Lighting up a field is a far cry from Vitiate's lightning feats, midi-manip isn't sorcery and hasn't been shown to be combat-available and Vitiate's TP is still better than Plagueis no matter how you try to say its not that great.
Plagueis has created dozens of after-images with his lightsaber and speed-blitzed Venamis in combat. Vitiate has no speed feats that can compare.
Plagueis has nearly atomized beings with the kinetic force of his TK, something far beyond any Vitiate TK feat.
His mere presence caused Naboo's coldest winter on record, which subsided the moment he left, his laboratory was of such potency in the Dark Side due to his experiments that even Sidious was shocked. When he died Coruscant suffered an earthquake and Sidious felt as if the entirety of the Dark Side was now his.
Vitiate himself is mentioned directly but is only praised for having come closer than anybody else in immortality, not for his power.
Originally posted by NephthysFirst off the fields you mentioned offered a very narrow perspective on Force ability, so whatevs tbh.
None of that was an argument for Plagueis surpassing Vitiate in the fields I mentioned. Lighting up a field is a far cry from Vitiate's lightning feats, midi-manip isn't sorcery and hasn't been shown to be combat-available and Vitiate's TP is still better than Plagueis no matter how you try to say its not that great.
Regardless I covered lightning, midi-chlorian manipulation is the closely thing to Sith sorcery or rather alchemy, because its the creation and manipulation of life, but sure, the Sith Emperor is better in a field Plagueis never bothered to apply himself in *slow clap*, and I'm assuming TP = telepathy in which case I said no such thing.
However what is important (given I only argued Plagueis equal in all these things) is that Plagueis is just better and subverting the natural order, creating nexuses and the like.
Originally posted by The_TempestCoincidences don't exist in Star Wars, really.
For the record, I really prefer to think of Plagueis and Naboo's winter to be purely coincidental and prosaic effect... not that he literally caused planetary climatological changes with his mere presence.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Chris Avellone thought the ancient Sith could shape galaxies to their will. 🙄That sort of hype is pretty dumb.
Vitiate's ridiculously powerful now, though. Goodbye to the Plagueis > Vitiate in Force power argument.
This guys a community manager though, not a writer.
Though I guess I've got Ant cornered, because if he takes Musco's word as a source that's worth listening to, he also has to believe the quote on Plagueis being the most powerful Sith Lord up until his time. Since the whole "OMG THE WRITER DIDNT WRITE IT" argument falls out the window.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Plagueis' FL has lit up fields with barely any effort.
FL burns and grass have no defenses.
Originally posted by AncientPower
His experiments ended in the reveal of midichlorian manipulation, possibly the greatest manipulation of the Force on record and far beyond sorcery.
Also, what do you think about below:
"THE RITUAL IS ABOUT TO BEGIN," the Emperor intoned.
Scourge nodded, though even if he had wanted to refuse it was far too late now.
He was standing in the center of a cylindrical metal platform roughly two meters across. Dozens of wires and IV tubes had been hooked to his body. The wires were connected to several generators arranged in a circle around the platform, the IV tubes ran to clear vats filled with a strange
green bubbling liquid.
They were still inside the citadel, but this private chamber was much smaller than the throne room. It was unfurnished and, apart from the Emperor, Scourge, and the infernal machinery he was hooked up to, completely empty.
In the wake of Revan's defeat, the Emperor hadn't made him a member of the Dark Council after all. Instead, he had created a new position for Scourge: the Emperor's Wrath.
The Emperor had believed his explanation about Revan. As a reward Scourge was to become his personal enforcer and executioner, taking his orders directly from the Emperor and answering to no one but him.
That wasn't the full extent of his reward, however. For his role in exposing Xedrix, Nyriss, and Revan, the Emperor had promised to grant Scourge the gift of eternal life. He would forever serve at the Emperor's side, an honor far greater than even that of being selected for the Dark Council.
Scourge had eagerly accepted, knowing his new position would give him both time and opportunity to find another way to stop the Emperor before his madness and hunger consumed the galaxy.
"Open yourself to the dark side," the Emperor said, and Scourge felt the air around him begin to swirl with power.
Betraying his allies had not altered the inevitable outcome; the Emperor would have won regardless. At least this way Scourge was still alive to carry on their cause.
Revan was still alive, too, but he was as good as dead to Scourge. The Emperor was holding him prisoner in a secret facility, and Scourge knew he could never risk trying to find its location. He couldn't do anything that might suggest an ongoing connection between him and Revan. Doing so would expose the truth to the Emperor, making his sacrifice of the Jedi pointless.
"Let the spark of eternal life ignite within you!" the Emperor called out. Scourge felt a sharp burst of heat in his chest. He gritted his teeth in pain as the heat grew more intense.
He felt no guilt or remorse over what he had done. He knew the Jedi would never have chosen this path, of course. They would have felt the price
of betrayal was too high.
Scourge knew they were wrong. There was no sense in throwing his life away with theirs. Betrayal was the cost of stopping the Emperor, and he
alone had been willing to pay it.
Revan had been right about one thing, however: the attack had made the Emperor step back from his plans to invade the Republic. Instead of
looking beyond the borders of the Sith Empire, he had turned his attention inward, focusing on restoring stability and control over Dromund Kaas
and the other worlds he ruled.
The Dark Council would have to be rebuilt. It was inevitable there would be infighting and high turnover in the first few years as the new members vied with one another to curry favor with the Emperor. And he, in turn, would keep a close eye on the actions of the Council until the plots and schemes returned to a more normal and expected level.
It would be several decades, maybe longer, before the Emperor revisited the idea of invading the Republic. In that time, much could happen.
Revan had spoken of another champion who would rise; Scourge had seen that champion in his final vision. Blessed with eternal life, Scourge would serve faithfully at the Emperor's side, biding his time as he waited for that champion to emerge from the mists of time.
While serving, he would study the Emperor. He would learn everything about him. He would come to understand his strengths and weaknesses so that when the time came, he could help Revan's prophesied champion destroy the Emperor once and for all.
"Feel your mortality as it is stripped away."
Scourge screamed as invisible claws tore at his insides, seemingly shredding his vital organs. The heat in his chest had spread to the rest of his body; it felt as if his blood were made of fire. The agony became unbearable, and he shrieked and collapsed to the floor.
"The ritual cannot be undone," the Emperor said as Scourge writhed and wept at his feet.
Through his torment, Scourge realized with dawning horror what the Emperor was saying. The ritual was over, but the searing heat and the rending of his insides continued unabated.
Focusing his will, he managed to still the convulsions racking his body. He forced himself to his knees, though every movement seemed to amplify the pain. Trembling, he rose to his feet and addressed the Emperor.
"How long will this anguish last?" he asked, his jaw clenched.
"As time passes you will learn to accept and endure your suffering," the Emperor answered. "Your mind and body will find ways to deal with the pain. After many months you will become accustomed enough to it to function in your role as the Emperor's Wrath. Eventually you will simply become numb, unable to feel anything at all."
"Why?" Scourge asked, his voice something between a sob and a moan.
"Everything has a cost," the Emperor explained. "This is the price of immortality."
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
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Originally posted by AncientPower
His TP is actually not as great as people like to hype it out to be.
Emperor Vitiate have some of the best telepathic showings in the mythos.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Vitiate's best feats are in spirit form and they just aren't applicable here.
Emperor's transition into an immortal being:
1. Mortality
2. Corporeal immortality
3. Essence preservation
Emperor had stopped depending upon physical bodies to function long before the developments on Ziost.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Plagueis' power was not far at all from Sidious' own, he is likely the second strongest Sith ever.
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Emperor Vitiate have superior showings and official hype then Darth Plagueis. Try again.
Originally posted by AncientPower
Plagueis has created dozens of after-images with his lightsaber and speed-blitzed Venamis in combat. Vitiate has no speed feats that can compare.Plagueis has nearly atomized beings with the kinetic force of his TK, something far beyond any Vitiate TK feat.
His mere presence caused Naboo's coldest winter on record, which subsided the moment he left, his laboratory was of such potency in the Dark Side due to his experiments that even Sidious was shocked. When he died Coruscant suffered an earthquake and Sidious felt as if the entirety of the Dark Side was now his.
Vitiate himself is mentioned directly but is only praised for having come closer than anybody else in immortality, not for his power.
He didn't speed-blitz Venamis, he caught him by surprise. And I already said that Plagueis is superior in physical augmentation. Don't recall that after-images thing though.
No it isn't. Vitiate could also disintegrate opponents and his other TK feats match Plagueis'. The book even notes that Plagueis' attack was confused for a small bomb.
No it didn't, that's an assumption that could easily just be a narrative trick or coincidence. Plus that doesn't even mean much even if it were true.
Originally posted by Selenial👆
Though I guess I've got Ant cornered, because if he takes Musco's word as a source that's worth listening to, he also has to believe the quote on Plagueis being the most powerful Sith Lord up until his time. Since the whole "OMG THE WRITER DIDNT WRITE IT" argument falls out the window.