The Old Republic: Rise of the Emperor

Originally posted by psmith81992
That seems more impressive to me. Morever, I'm not familiar with the circumstances surrounding the "shifting" of the force.

Intriguing. Personally, I find Plagueis&Sidious's feat much more masterful. But to each his own.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You know that I prefer not to make any concrete statements on controversial subjects like this. I've always thought that Vitiate should be the most powerful Sith Lord in history, rivaled by Nihilus. I even think that it's absurd that he hasn't been concretely shown to be that way yet. But whether I believe that is the actual case in reality or that I'll argue that is another matter.

Cool.

I didn't mention the Nathema ritual. Regardless of where it stands on the "impressive" scale, it made him immortal. The only other character that came that close was Krayt.

I thought the purging of the Dark Council was much more impressive. I think the current campaign where he pretty much controls everybody on (I forgot the planet) is pretty badass.

Intriguing. Personally, I find Plagueis&Sidious's feat much more masterful. But to each his own.

Originally posted by psmith81992
It's an obscure ability with obscure characteristics surrounding it.

Originally posted by psmith81992
While not knowing exactly what happened, we can infer that Vitiate destroyed the entire Sith Council himself.

Me
there's no room for a double standard.

Disregarding feats because of obscurity is fine by me, but let's not be so... selective. Sound fair?

Originally posted by Selenial
There is no way you can take what a community manager says as gospel.

Obviously he can't like, posses planets while drinking a cup of water, but the hype is there.

Originally posted by psmith81992
How does one single instance of arrogance put him below those two? Your argument makes no sense unless it's purely confirmation bias.

He deceived him for 300 years.

Three. Hundred. Years.

I am talking about telepathy however.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Right...

Angered by Luke's unwillingness to follow his father's path, the Emperor releases a storm of Sith lightning on the Jedi. But in failing to foresee Luke's defiance, the Emperor reveals that his own powers are fallible, and a wounded Vader realizes Palpatine can be destroyed.

Taken from [B]Star Wars: The Ultimate Visual Guide

You were saying?

SWTOR writers have to create a story, if they demonstrate Emperor Vitiate making perfect decisions every-time then what is the point of writing a story about him?

Emperor Vitiate 'could' break Lord Scourge and read his mind afterwards, but he did not. This is PIS. [/B]

Boarding his shuttle, he ordered the pilot to lift off. A pity, my son, he thought. You could have joined me and together...we could have destroyed the Emperor and ruled the galaxy in his place. As he stared at the severed appendage in his hands, a sudden flash of insight struck the Dark Lord, realization dawning like the sunrise of Bespin. Perhaps, if you will not be turned, little Jedi, a suitable substitute may be arranged.

Suddenly, Vader was struck to his knees by the horribly powerful voice that rolled like fiery thunder through his brain. The pilots struggled vainly to ignore the Dark Lord's...discomfort. "Yes, my servant," the voice boomed in his mind, dripping raw evil. "Come to Mount Tantiss, immediately. I shall meet you there, and we will discuss my new trophy."

"Yes...my Master," Vader gasped, feeling an icy stab of dread in his soul, as the Emperor's mocking chuckle still echoed in his mind. His Master had detected his rebellious thoughts. This discussion would be most unpleasant. Most unpleasant indeed.

--Taken from Clone B-2332-54, the Last Command Sourcebook

There is no chance Scourge could have pulled a fast one (for three centuries) on the Sith Emperor like he did on Palpatine. Call it PIS if you like, but guess what, it happened, its canon. And it proves the Sith Emperor can't sense what a Force user is thinking unless he enters their mind and dominates them.

Sidious can. If you can provide me with an instance of the Sith Emperor reading surface thoughts in this manner, I'll consider conceding.

Until then, learn 2 deal.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Leg., Beni was just screwing with you.

Well you're on your own for this one, Beni. But note I'll be watching with great interest.

I'm pretty sure Vitiate couldn't detect Scourge's thoughts because Revan accounts that when Vitiate looked into his mind, he was able to look in his, so Scourge would know what Vitiate planned for the galaxy and such.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I can give Vitiate a pass on that since it really does seem like excessive contact with his mind can seriously damage an unprotected mind.

Assuming Scourge has anywhere near the power and strength of will that Revan had. Which of course he doesn't.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Sidious can. If you can provide me with an instance of the Sith Emperor reading surface thoughts in this manner, I'll consider conceding.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Don't give me feats bullshit.

@Neph, the Sith Emperor wouldn't need to make contact with his mind to read his surface thoughts. Its not an intrusion, its like picking up a broadcast from a radio. Hence why Force Users are usually unaware of their minds being read in this manner, but can always feel a presence when someone forcibly invades. Though to be quite honest, I doubt the Sith Emperor would very much care.

@Ant, that was only because 1. Revan was very powerful 2. the Sith Emperor actually forged a mental link with him, a link described as working both ways. Really though if the Sith Emperor can't hide his thoughts from Scourge, its all the more damning.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Here is some nice crit from the SWTOR Most Powerful thread:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showpost.php?p=7979799&postcount=1379

Of course it doesn't account for his new feats, but they are all spirit feats tbh, and midichlorian manipulation > Sith alchemy.

I'm sure Bane's prolly number 3, Dmb. Don't fret!

This reminds me, I need to appoint a successor here...

Disregarding feats because of obscurity is fine by me, but let's not be so... selective. Sound fair?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
If you have Plagueis>Vitiate and Caedus, but only #4, who do you have as 1, 2, and 3¿

Luke, Sidious, Yoda.

I'm afraid Bane never made the cut, in either list.

A single instance?

He deceived him for 300 years.

Three. Hundred. Years.

I am talking about telepathy however.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
If you have Plagueis>Vitiate and Caedus, but only #4, who do you have as 1, 2, and 3¿

#2 Darth Sidious

#3 Yoda

Posted the link to the full list below (scroll down) - the list is incomplete however.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=790858

Oh okay, so it was an overall list of Sith and Jedi. I assumed it was just Sith, hence my confusion.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
@Neph, the Sith Emperor wouldn't need to make contact with his mind to read his surface thoughts. Its not an intrusion, its like picking up a broadcast from a radio. Hence why Force Users are usually unaware of their minds being read in this manner, but can always feel a presence when someone forcibly invades. Though to be quite honest, I doubt the Sith Emperor would very much care.

A mere brush made Scourge into a screaming pansy. I'm really not convinced he wouldn't cause immeasurable harm reading his mind. Also, couldn't Scourge just be being very careful with his surface thoughts? If its as easy as you say, he'd probably know about it.

Plus are you really suggesting that Vitiate is flat out so bad that he can't read surface thoughts, if its as easy as you say? Thats idiotic. 😬

Originally posted by psmith81992
Your point would be relevant had he been in the presence of Vitiate for 300 years and Vitiate didn't have a million other things to do other than know what is on the mind of his Wrath.

Heck, the Hand even berates the new Wrath for distancing himself.

He's the Sith Emperor's equivalent of Vader, and is just as close.