Wolverine vs Aliens

Originally posted by Silent Master
Bottom line is that you have no proof that Deadpool was using bullet-time level speed in the Wolverine fight.

So according to you Deadpool was holding back then?

Lack of flashy visuals isn't a valid argument, unless according to you Agent Smith and Neo only fight at peak human speeds because we don't see any flashy visual effects, despite casual bullet timing, or Saint Seiya characters are slow because we can see them fight despite 18 digit times FTL feats, or Bleach is the fastest fiction ever because we can't see anything when they fight, even though they have no quantifiable speed feats above Mach 30.

Only feats matter and it'd be far from a first for a tier of characters from a verse are scaled to a single feat

Not every single speed feat has to be them zipping around with anime style speed lines and performing super crazy speed tricks like they're the god damn Flash, you know

Plus Wolverine has been in 6 movies now and has never shown bullet-time speed himself, he has in fact been hit by bullets and people with normal speed multiple times.

Alot of fast characters have been hit with far slower things, this is far from any kind of justification

And yeah, this would be far from the first time where a few (or even a single) feats were considered definitive of a character/verse capability, why does X-Men have to recieve more scrutiny

So even if we were to grant him BT level speed in that scene(which we don't) it would fall under PIS and thus be unusable for debates.

"I don't like it so I'll arbitarily dismiss it as PIS"

Yeah, you don't get to do that

Nothing you've said changes the fact that the bottom line is that you have no proof that Deadpool was using bullet-time level speed in the Wolverine fight. Plus Wolverine has been in 6 movies now and has never shown bullet-time speed himself, he has in fact been hit by bullets and people with normal speed multiple times.

So even if we were to grant him BT level speed in that scene(which we don't) it would fall under PIS and thus be unusable for debates.

I love it how people assume that because characters don't zip around with flashy blurs and speed lines and perform super crazy speed tricks in one panel like they're the ****ing Flash that they can just ignore speed feats and powerscaling all day erry day

Originally posted by Silent Master
Nothing you've said changes the fact that the bottom line is that you have no proof that Deadpool was using bullet-time level speed in the Wolverine fight. Plus Wolverine has been in 6 movies now and has never shown bullet-time speed himself, he has in fact been hit by bullets and people with normal speed multiple times.

So even if we were to grant him BT level speed in that scene(which we don't) it would fall under PIS and thus be unusable for debates.

A FTL Pegasus Seiya got tagged by a mach 18 enemy. Goku apparently is slower than Chi Chi. Comic Superman is now a bullet timer because of getting tagged by street level characters. Movie superman and spiderman fight just as fast as regular humans.

Shit >>>>>>> Your logic.

I love how people assume that characters that been in 6 movies and have zero scenes of fighting at bullet-time speeds suddenly have bullet-time speed because they fought someone that has a BT feat, even though the fight itself shows no BT speed being used.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I love how people assume that characters that been in 6 movies and have zero scenes of fighting at bullet-time speeds suddenly have bullet-time speed because they fought someone that has a BT feat, even though the fight itself shows no BT speed being used.

Again, by that logic you are admitting superman can only fight as fast as a human.

The fact is that Wolverine has zero feasts of fighting at BT level speeds. thus he isn't a bullet-timer.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Nothing you've said changes the fact that the bottom line is that you have no proof that Deadpool was using bullet-time level speed in the Wolverine fight. Plus Wolverine has been in 6 movies now and has never shown bullet-time speed himself, he has in fact been hit by bullets and people with normal speed multiple times.

Pretty much what I figured "I don't like it so I'll just stonewall and deny powerscaling and say the same shite ad nauseum"

Yeah and Goku's never busted a planet himself despite beating Freiza who has done so twice, by your logic Goku can't planet bust

The only reason for powerscaling not being valid is if Deadpool had a specific technique for bullet timing which nobody else had, however since this isn't statetd anywhere in verse, we have no reason to assume such a thing

So even if we were to grant him BT level speed in that scene(which we don't) it would fall under PIS and thus be unusable for debates.

Again, you don't get to shunt feats aside as PIS because they don't suit your preconceptions

Originally posted by Silent Master
The fact is that Wolverine has zero feasts of fighting at BT level speeds. thus he isn't a bullet-timer.

Go ahead and post superman dodging bullets during a battle then 🙂

Originally posted by StealthRanger
Pretty much what I figured "I don't like it so I'll just stonewall and deny powerscaling and say the same shite ad nauseum"

Yeah and Goku's never busted a planet himself despite beating Freiza who has done so twice, by your logic Goku can't planet bust

The only reason for powerscaling not being valid is if Deadpool had a specific technique for bullet timing which nobody else had, however since this isn't statetd anywhere in verse, we have no reason to assume such a thing

Again, you don't get to shunt feats aside as PIS because they don't suit your preconceptions

Originally posted by Silent Master
The fact is that Wolverine has zero feasts of fighting at BT level speeds. thus he isn't a bullet-timer.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
A FTL Pegasus Seiya got tagged by a mach 18 enemy. Goku apparently is slower than Chi Chi. Comic Superman is now a bullet timer because of getting tagged by street level characters. Movie superman and spiderman fight just as fast as regular humans.

Shit >>>>>>> Your logic.

Exactly what I thought, same old stonewalling and "I don't like it so it never happened" argumentum ad nauseum

Lack of flashy visuals isn't a valid argument, unless according to you Agent Smith and Neo only fight at peak human speeds because we don't see any flashy visual effects, despite casual bullet timing, or Saint Seiya characters are slow because we can see them fight despite 18 digit times FTL feats, or Bleach is the fastest fiction ever because we can't see anything when they fight, even though they have no quantifiable speed feats above Mach 30.

Only feats matter and it'd be far from a first for a tier of characters from a verse are scaled to a single feat

The fact is that Wolverine has been in 6 movies and has zero feats of fighting at BT level speeds. thus he isn't a bullet-timer.

Originally posted by StealthRanger

Yeah and Goku's never busted a planet himself despite beating Freiza who has done so twice, by your logic Goku can't planet bust

3 times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsGkECJpr1s

13:39

Originally posted by Werewolf582
A FTL Pegasus Seiya got tagged by a mach 18 enemy. Goku apparently is slower than Chi Chi. Comic Superman is now a bullet timer because of getting tagged by street level characters. Movie superman and spiderman fight just as fast as regular humans.

Shit >>>>>>> Your logic.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The fact is that Wolverine has been in 6 movies and has zero feats of fighting at BT level speeds. thus he isn't a bullet-timer.

Originally posted by Werewolf582
Again, by that logic you are admitting superman can only fight as fast as a human.

Unlike the characters you keep mentioning, Wolverine has been in 6 movies and has zero feats of BT level speed.