Legolas vs Captain America

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Also, Cap is a natural genius at calculatong trajectory (s'how he is able to deflect weaponsfire, throw his shield, etc). What's to stop him from running towards legolas (deflecting arrows with his shield) until he either reaches Legolas or Legolas runs out of arrows?

Arrows are fast but not fast enough to be outside of Cap's rection time + shield to block/dodge/deflect.

While Cap is a badass he's never had to block arrows from somebody who's more agile than him, with just as good if not better reaction speed than him, who is comparable in speed with him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvzAsx0NX0A

To illustrate this point. Go to part 3:20 of the video.. To see just how agile and with how much precision Legolas can shoot his arrows with. Arrows would hit Cap, and they would slow him down.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
While Cap is a badass he's never had to block arrows from somebody who's more agile than him, with just as good if not better reaction speed than him, who is comparable in speed with him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvzAsx0NX0A

To illustrate this point. Go to part 3:20 of the video.. To see just how agile and with how much precision Legolas can shoot his arrows with. Arrows would hit Cap, and they would slow him down.

Nah, none of those people had shields and no one knows how to use a shield like Cap. He's blocked gunfire, Thor's Hammer, Lasers and coming up in A3, looks like from the videos of previews he's doing even crazier stuff. Even if he gets hit with an arrow, he pulls it out and sticks Lego with it.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Nah, none of those people had shields and no one knows how to use a shield like Cap. He's blocked gunfire, Thor's Hammer, Lasers and coming up in A3, looks like from the videos of previews he's doing even crazier stuff. Even if he gets hit with an arrow, he pulls it out and sticks Lego with it.

The reality is... Gunfire from meh soldiers and blocking them... isn't the same as blocking arrows from somebody who can fire them with deadly precision from all angles. Just look at the video... he's firing arrows WHILE riding on somebody's head (sometimes while on one leg) WHILE floating down the river with it's constant dips and turns with no issue. We're talking precision shots here. Arrows from Legolas are more deadly and accurate than gunfire from meh soldiers.

How exactly is his skill going to change th fact that arrows fly from point A to point B at a predictable line at speeds not above being reacted to?

It's not as if the arrows inherit Legolas' agility and start doing flips and cartwheels to avoid Cap's shield.

And I don't see Legolas as being more ahile than Cap. More skillfull, sure, but he does not fight at the rapid fluidity as Cap does, in melee at least.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The reality is... Gunfire from meh soldiers and blocking them... isn't the same as blocking arrows from somebody who can fire them with deadly precision from all angles. Just look at the video... he's firing arrows WHILE riding on somebody's head (sometimes while on one leg) WHILE floating down the river with it's constant dips and turns with no issue. We're talking precision shots here. Arrows from Legolas are more deadly and accurate than gunfire from meh soldiers.

So bullets fly straight but you think his arrows can fly in multidirectional and not be blocked😂

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
So bullets fly straight but you think his arrows can fly in multidirectional and not be blocked😂

Point me to where I said this? There are FIRED from a multitude of direction IS what I was saying. Not that they move and turn in mid-air. Though it wouldn't surprise me if he could. Point is, the agility and angles that he can fire them at, along with the speed he can makes them far harder to block than meh soldiers firing straight at him. I'm curious... didn't you find it odd that all the soldiers would fire straight at the shield. When he's running... you can't block your entire body... Key portions of it are exposed.... Yet you're telling me he can still block them all when somebody is ACTUALLY trying to hit him in places he can't block? Come on. Legolas isn't some putz of a soldier.. he'll see opening and exploit them or bait openings. he's THAT good.

Bucky, who was also enhanced by a version of the SSS effortlessly dodged twin automatic pistol fire from not even ten feet away. From Falcon, a highly decorated soldier and one of only two men in the world skilled enough to fly the Falcon rig.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Point me to where I said this? There are FIRED from a multitude of direction IS what I was saying. Not that they move and turn in mid-air. Though it wouldn't surprise me if he could. Point is, the agility and angles that he can fire them at, along with the speed he can makes them far harder to block than meh soldiers firing straight at him. I'm curious... didn't you find it odd that all the soldiers would fire straight at the shield. When he's running... you can't block your entire body... Key portions of it are exposed.... Yet you're telling me he can still block them all when somebody is ACTUALLY trying to hit him in places he can't block? Come on. Legolas isn't some putz of a soldier.. he'll see opening and exploit them or bait openings. he's THAT good.

There is nothing in the movies that show that Legolas can run circles around Cap. Blonksy, who was injected with the SSS himself was able to outrun jeeps on foot. Cap should be able to do the same. What "angles" exactly is Legolas going to exploit?

He can move his shield to cover his exposed parts while he's running. Arrows move at 200-250 fps. With his peak human+ reaction time and his genius at trajectory, this will not be problem for him to do.

LoL @ Legolas "running circles" around Cap.

The man can almost keep up with a 1940's Plymouth and run around a 2-minute mile for 30mins at a time. "thirteen miles in thirty minutes" -Falcon

Legolas is more of a long endurance runner, as implied in TT.

Wonder why people are handing Bucky fts to Cap. That's like me giving Le all of the elves fts. Doesn't work like that and both Cap and Bucky received different type of training.

Because training doesn't give you superhuman abilities. The Super Soldier Serum, that Bucky was also given a variant of developed by Zola gave him superhuman abilities. Like the speed to be able to dodge bullets or kicking people 20 feet away. The serum was the only reason he survived falling off that train and losing his arm. It was the only reason he could take all those hits from Cap.

So you are telling me that if I was given the serum, I could dodge bullets? Why not cling to Cap fts instead of relying on other people showings to help Cap? Doesn't make sense. Training CAN increase speed and reaction. Lots of training...especially with the time Bucky had.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
How exactly is his skill going to change th fact that arrows fly from point A to point B at a predictable line at speeds not above being reacted to?

It's not as if the arrows inherit Legolas' agility and start doing flips and cartwheels to avoid Cap's shield.

And I don't see Legolas as being more ahile than Cap. More skillfull, sure, but he does not fight at the rapid fluidity as Cap does, in melee at least.

Not more Agile? WUT???? he's clearly more agile and by a decent margin. That isn't even close really. Not only is he more agile.. he can fight better using said better agility. Point is this, do you think you could replace Legolas with Cap in the river barrel scene and he could pull off those same move using the same agility and precision while doing so? I wouldn't, and there's nothing wrong with that, but it still remains Cap could pull off the moves Legolas did.

Further, not as fluid? WUT again?? Legolas is every bit as fluid and probably more so in h2h. The moves he executes while fighting a multitude of people shows just that.. incredible and deadly fluidity. I'm honestly not sure how you can say he's not.

Like this video and the Barrel River video... along with Legolas killing all those spiders attacking the dwarves shows uncanny agility and fluidity on the level cap does not possess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMVNKeiaips

Point me where I said he'll run circles around Cap? What I'm saying is... HE CAN'T COVER HIT ENTIRE BODY WITH HIS SHIELD.. ESPECIALLY while running. Notice how parts of his body are left exposed while in movement with his shield. Notice how the solders didn't take advantage of said opening and just shot straight at him. You don't think Legolas could see the opening and take it? Honestly? You also forget that Legolas can fire multiple arrows at the same time... making it very difficult for Cap to block both high and low... especially when fired at the same time.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL @ Legolas "running circles" around Cap.

The man can almost keep up with a 1940's Plymouth and run around a 2-minute mile for 30mins at a time. "thirteen miles in thirty minutes" -Falcon

Legolas is more of a long endurance runner, as implied in TT.

That wasn't what was implied AT ALL in the TT... The only reference made was that Gimli is better over short distances. Nothing more. When you see Legolas in the spider scene ... in the TT battle for Helm's deep scene... the barrel scene... There is no long distance running... just super fast and quick agile movement killing people

And it's hilarious that people thing Bucky is bullet fast when he couldn't even dodge an electrical dart like weapon thrown by Black Widow...

Fast forward to a minute...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K_WnCLJJ-Mg

People are overestimating Caps shield big time. As of right now, Legolas just has better combat feats than Cap. AOU should change that though, until then Legolas should take this 7/10.

Originally posted by carver9
And it's hilarious that people thing Bucky is bullet fast when he couldn't even dodge an electrical dart like weapon thrown by Black Widow...

Fast forward to a minute...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K_WnCLJJ-Mg

Exactly, and to think Cap is more agile and fluid in melee is absurd. That is the definition of what Legolas is and he's shown to be far more deadly in combat.

I also love how they are giving Cap bucky's feats... When the serum wasn't exactly the same nor was their training. Training can make a huge difference in how you EXECUTE said skills in combat. People think just cause two guys have the same athletic talent that they'll perform the same on the field. That is what is being implied here. That isn't close to true... What kinda of coaching you've had and practice you've put into your art make the finish product VERY VERY different.

According to this logic... I should give feats to Legolas from his father Thraduil feats since his DNA runs through Legolas. Shit, why not give Legolas feats from The Lady... How about Elrond... how about Glorfindel? Shit, why stop there why don't we go back further and give Feanor and Finrod's feats to Legolas.. I mean afterall they are all elves.. who cares if their training and upbringing are different.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
People are overestimating Caps shield big time. As of right now, Legolas just has better combat feats than Cap. AOU should change that though, until then Legolas should take this 7/10.

Exactly, they seem to believe he could just block all of the arrows from somebody as skillful and fast as legolas. Sorry, not happening.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
How exactly is his skill going to change th fact that arrows fly from point A to point B at a predictable line at speeds not above being reacted to?

It's not as if the arrows inherit Legolas' agility and start doing flips and cartwheels to avoid Cap's shield.

And I don't see Legolas as being more ahile than Cap. More skillfull, sure, but he does not fight at the rapid fluidity as Cap does, in melee at least.

I was thinking more along the lines of Legolas being able to shoot more than one arrow at a time... with both or all arrows targeting different parts of cap's body.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That wasn't what was implied AT ALL in the TT... The only reference made was that Gimli is better over short distances. Nothing more. When you see Legolas in the spider scene ... in the TT battle for Helm's deep scene... the barrel scene... There is no long distance running... just super fast and quick agile movement killing people

LoL, why do you always try to one-up me on LoTR when I'm always correct in my claims. But here you go:

"Three days and nights pursuit. No food, no rest. No sign of our quarry, but what bare rock can tell! - Gimli (TT)

That's Gimli commenting how he, Legolas and Aragorn have been relentlessly pursuing the Uruks for three days, trying to save the hobbits. If that doesn't tell you that Legolas is a superb long endurance runner, then you're dense.

"There is no long distance running..." -KT 😂