Originally posted by FrothByte
My questions are in line with my reasoning, and you don't want to answer them because they'll punch holes all over your stance.But fine, I just need you to answer the one question: Do you believe that Cap will only need to hit Legolas once to KO him?
As for throttling strength, all of us throttle our strength. It's pretty normal. I don't know what you're trying to prove there.
No I don't think he one shot him, he will beat him down in a good fight.
Originally posted by Silent Master
The strength people are "giving" Cap, is based on his screen feats. So if you don't like it, blame Marvel for portraying movie Cap as that strong.
I have no problem with the feats. But all of my points are also supported by feats. I never claimed Cap wasn't strong, just not strong enough to one shot Legolas. And again, I backed this up with feats from Cap himself.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
No I don't think he one shot him, he will beat him down in a good fight.
Then we have nothing to disagree on then. I think Cap beats Legolas pretty good in h2h, but melee IMO is still a toss up because Cap's strength is negated by Legolas' s more lethal weapons. Because Legolas can definitely one shot Cap with a clean hit of his long daggers.
I was referring to the highway fight, Cap did have it for at least part of the fight. Towards the end Cap uses the shield's edge to cut into WS's robo-arm and damage it. Then the fight stops before Cap lowers the boom when he see's WS's face and the long dormant homo-urges resurface.
But yes, iirc, Cap did fend off a knife-wielding WS for a bit with just his skills, reflexes, strength and speed.
Originally posted by Robtard
I was referring to the highway fight, Cap did have it for at least part of it. Towards the end Cap uses the shield's edge to cut into WS's robo-arm and damage it. Then the fight stops before Cap lowers the boom when he see's WS's face and the long dormant homo-urges resurface.
I know. That's what I was talking about. Bucky tossed his shield into the van and Cap took him on hand to hand, then Bucky pulled his knife out and Cap didn't take a single scratch despite not having the shield.
They were also fighting at a much faster pace and with more speed and agility than Legolas seemed to be able to employ against Bolg who despite being absolutely huge and slowed down by having metal running throughout his entire body, kept up with Legolas just fine for most of both their fights.
Originally posted by Robtard
Winter Soldier tried to kill Cap with a combat-knife, Cap had something to say about that.
Single combat knife <<<< 2 daggers long enough to be short swords.
Besides, WS is awesome and all but he doesn't have feats to show him having the same skill with bladed weapons as Legolas had.
Originally posted by KingD19They were also fighting at a much faster pace and with more speed and agility than Legolas seemed to be able to employ against Bolg who despite being absolutely huge and slowed down by having metal running throughout his entire body, kept up with Legolas just fine for most of both their fights.
It's funny how you guys employ double standards. I mentioned Cap's fight against Batroc to prove that Cap doesn't hit as hard as you guys claim... but instead you think it just proves that Batroc has superhuman durability.
Then now you mention Legolas' fight against Bolg to show that Legolas isn't as fast as we think. See the double standard here? If I were to use the same argument as you guys do I would say that it's proof that Bolg has superfast reflexes and agility to keep up with the elf.
Cap holds himself back at times, others he doesn't. eg When he first gets on the ship, there's one or two instances where he sends gunmen flying several feet with a kick, one even goes barreling over the side of the ship.
Though Batroc got his ass utterly kicked once Cap had enough of his Frenchy shit.
So Cap can hit very hard, if he wishes. There's multiple scenes in CA, Avengers and CA:WS showing Cap's striking-power.
Originally posted by Robtard
Cap holds himself back at times, others he doesn't. eg When he first gets on the ship, there's one or two instances where he sends gunmen flying several feet with a kick, one even goes barreling over the side of the ship.Though Batroc got his ass utterly kicked once Cap had enough of his Frenchy shit.
So Cap can hit very hard, if he wishes. There's multiple scenes in CA, Avengers and CA:WS showing Cap's striking-power.
I agree that Cap can hit very hard, I never questioned that. I just don't think it's hard enough to guarantee that he can one-shot Legolas. And I consider a hit from Legolas' daggers to be a lot more damaging than Cap's fists or feet, even his shield.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I agree that Cap can hit very hard, I never questioned that. I just don't think it's hard enough to guarantee that he can one-shot Legolas. And I consider a hit from Legolas' daggers to be a lot more damaging than Cap's fists or feet, even his shield.
Cap can cut through metal (several showings) with the rim of his shield, but he couldn't possibly be able to "one-shot" Legolas with it?
Come on, Legolas is a badass, but he couldn't survive a well placed hit to the throat or head. Even a single strike to his elven torso with the shield's rim could severely cripple the elf.