Originally posted by Robtard
My passing comment on Legolas not having Cap's sprinting speed (2min mile) but being great at long endurance running doesn't really matter all too much here and no one needed to respond to that, but KT had to be himself and try and one up me because of old burthurt with his "Legolas never ran far!" nonsense. I laugh at him.
I challenged your passing comment and you backed away from it like a scarred little girl. I challenged you to a BZ and you backed away again. To try and run and hide from your "passing mistake" you left out most of my quote in the hopes you'd win. Only you just got exposed as a liar lmao. This isn't quite as bad as the sinking thing... this is more unethical in a debate... the whole he didn't sink and posted the video of him sinking.. is more moronic than unethical lmao
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I challenged your passing comment and you backed away from it like a scarred little girl.
You enjoy lying it seems, these have been posted numerous times by me now and they sodomize you and your silly comments each and every time:
"Three days and nights pursuit. No food, no rest. No sign of our quarry, but what bare rock can tell!" - Gimli (TT)
Conclusion: You enjoy being sodomized
Originally posted by Robtard
You enjoy lying it seems, these have been posted numerous times by me now and they sodomize you and your silly comments each and every time:"Three days and nights pursuit. No food, no rest. No sign of our quarry, but what bare rock can tell!" - Gimli (TT)
Conclusion: You enjoy being sodomized
So you're still a moron. That DOESN'T prove he's better at long distance running. THAT WAS UR CLAIM. Now back up your claim. showing him running a long distance doesn't mean that is what he's best at. Only a moron like you would come to such a conclusion when he see him own people over short distances countless more times. As I stated... I challenged you to a BZ or to back up your claim that he's better over long distances. How much does it bother you that people laugh that you had to misrepresent my post to save face? LOL. Just because I can run 2 miles.. doesn't mean I'm better at that than 1 mile or the 50 yard dash. Just because I'm shown making a shot with my left hand in basketball, doesn't mean that is what I'm best at. I could go on and on CRUSHING your horrible logic. Just because legolas was shown running a long distance doesn't mean that is what he's best at. Now, do you accept the challenge or are you going to back away like a little girl?
I'll quote you again and your stance
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL @ Legolas "running circles" around Cap.The man can almost keep up with a 1940's Plymouth and run around a 2-minute mile for 30mins at a time. "thirteen miles in thirty minutes" -Falcon
Legolas is more of a long endurance runner, as implied in TT.
You said legolas was better over long distances... Now either back up your claim or run like the coward you are and I've exposed you for. Not only a coward but a liar. Just so all can see... again your lies.. Here is my response.... Which as we can clearly see... list feats of him NOT running long distances.. just killing people with agility and speed over short distances
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That wasn't what was implied AT ALL in the TT... The only reference made was that Gimli is better over short distances. Nothing more. When you see Legolas in the spider scene ... in the TT battle for Helm's deep scene... the barrel scene... There is no long distance running... just super fast and quick agile movement killing people
Then to expose your lies... This is how you quoted me to try and hide from your stance and make up what mine was
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, why do you always try to one-up me on LoTR when I'm always correct in my claims. But here you go:"Three days and nights pursuit. No food, no rest. No sign of our quarry, but what bare rock can tell! - Gimli (TT)
That's Gimli commenting how he, Legolas and Aragorn have been relentlessly pursuing the Uruks for three days, trying to save the hobbits. If that doesn't tell you that Legolas is a superb long endurance runner, then you're dense.
"There is no long distance running..." -KT 😂
Notice how almost all of my post is missing and the context of it. I never once claimed legolas never ran long distances in the movies. Not once did I claim that. yet, you quoted only the end of my post to make it seem that way.. when in fact I was listing feats over short distances and going.. huh.. no long distance running there.
So coward, do you accept or is this ownage no. 45, Actually it's ownage no. 46 already because I already made you back away from you claim that I misquoted something. I quoted the entire posts from both of us.. you, as everybody can see, quote the end of my post. LMAO
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you're still a moron.That DOESN'T prove he's better at long distance running. THAT WAS UR CLAIM.
LoL, look how angry you are over being wrong and embarrassing yourself over and over again.
Strawman tactics again, you're so awful at this. I said "Legolas is more of a long endurance runner", which was in regards/comparison to Cap's 2min mile sprinting. Legolas is, as running 3 days without rest proves he's absolutely great at long endurance running. It's a fact, deal with it.
You ranted "There is no long distance running", which is completely wrong as shown and have been doing comical flips for me for pages now.
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Seems like the Legolas supporters have now decided to resort to personal attacks and abandon the debate.
Don't lump as all together with Kurupt.
Besides, I'm not even arguing that Legolas will win the fight, just he has the advantage at long range same way Cap has the advantage in h2h. Heck I won't even mind saying that Cap can probably win melee... just can't tolerate people who think Cap will simply steamroll over Legolas.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Don't lump as all together with Kurupt.Besides, I'm not even arguing that Legolas will win the fight, just the fight at long distance.
Ah, okay, fair enough. I apologise. Quite frankly, I couldn't be bothered to read through the half-page rants of the last few pages.
I said at the beginning that I thought Cap would take the close-up encounters, but that Legolas being a superb marksman might be able to hit Cap in a non-vital area at a distance (with the idea that Cap would concentrate on protecting the vital areas). Thus weakening him through blood loss and giving himself better odds.
But having watched that scene again where Cap charges the shooter with the mini-gun and reading up on the mini-gun vs arrows, I am beginning to have my doubts. Not saying Legolas definitely can't hit him, just that an arrow traveling 9 or 10 times slower than a bullet from a mini-gun should be easier to block - by a large margin.
Will try to keep my mind open, though, and give Legolas the benefit of the doubt. Say he does hit him somewhere in the leg or something. Will that be enough?
I have a feeling that after Ultron, Cap is going to have even more insane feats.
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Ah, okay, fair enough. I apologise. Quite frankly, I couldn't be bothered to read through the half-page rants of the last few pages.I said at the beginning that I thought Cap would take the close-up encounters, but that Legolas being a superb marksman might be able to hit Cap in a non-vital area at a distance (with the idea that Cap would concentrate on protecting the vital areas). Thus weakening him through blood loss and giving himself better odds.
But having watched that scene again where Cap charges the shooter with the mini-gun and reading up on the mini-gun vs arrows, I am beginning to have my doubts. Not saying Legolas definitely can't hit him, just that an arrow traveling 9 or 10 times slower than a bullet from a mini-gun should be easier to block - by a large margin.
Will try to keep my mind open, though, and give Legolas the benefit of the doubt. Say he does hit him somewhere in the leg or something. Will that be enough?
I have a feeling that after Ultron, Cap is going to have even more insane feats.
I feel like Cap is getting an upgrade in every movie that we see him in. If this was just Cap in his first movie, I probably would give Legolas the win.
But it seems like he got a boost for TWS and I'm pretty sure he'll get another power upgrade in this movie. BW will probably get one too, while Hulk and Thor will continue to be underpowered.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I feel like Cap is getting an upgrade in every movie that we see him in. If this was just Cap in his first movie, I probably would give Legolas the win.But it seems like he got a boost for TWS and I'm pretty sure he'll get another power upgrade in this movie. BW will probably get one too, while Hulk and Thor will continue to be underpowered.
I think we might actually be in agreement 😉
While Legolas is clearly superior at range than Cap, his use of arrows is ill suited in a fight where the combatants have superhuman abilities.
Very limited ammo + (relatively) slow moving attack + slower running speed vs a faster (running) opponent that has incredible defensive capabilities means that Legolas will constantly be pressured to fire a shot or risk getting ran down. Shots that don't move too fast for a bullet-blocker like Cap to react to. His options are limited as the featurless VS forum environment doesn't allow him to do sneak attacks (his best option in a real fight IMO) and comes down to trick shooting to bypass Cap's defense. A trick shot that was not provided by the pro-Legolas camp. While those that argue for Cap has (even tho they didn't need to) provided an easy defense vs the multi-target trick shot idea.
Eventually, he either gets chased down or runs out of ammo. And this goes to melee.
Anyone who watched the Bolg vs Legolas fight and the Cap vs WS fight will show the level of formidability an opponent needs to have to give either combatants trouble. WS >>> Bolg by "feats". Faster, stronger, better skilled and has better weapons. Melee is absolutely in Cap's favor.
Thus in closing, Cap wins 10/10.
Frostbyte isn't lying, iirc, Legolas does fire two arrows at two different goblin-men, but they were close together.
He does fire three arrows at once when killing the Oliphaunt, all three hit in a small/tight pattern. But he did fire these almost point blank at the Oliphaunt's skull.
On that note, Legolas' arrows have a ridiculously strong punch, as an Oliphaunt's skull would be extremely thick.
Originally posted by Robtard
Frostbyte isn't lying, iirc, Legolas does fire two arrows at two different goblin-men, but they were close together.He does fire three arrows at once when killing the Oliphaunt, all three hit in a small/tight pattern. But he did fire these almost point blank at the Oliphaunt's skull.
On that note, Legolas' arrows have a ridiculously strong punch, as an Oliphaunt's skull would be extremely thick.
Shhhh. Don"t do his work for him. Guy needs to learn to look for "feats" himself before posting battle tactic ideas on a forum.
That said, already posted easy counter to a multi-arrow attack.
Originally posted by KingD19
So none of the multi-arrows fired bypass the diameter of Cap's shield. Which basically means he blocks one, he blocks all of them.
It actually takes more skill to group your arrows together than it does to let them spread apart. A beginner who tries the same trickshot would almost surely have his arrows fly far apart. I know, I've tried.
I'll have to find the specific scene to see just how far apart those two goblins were, but to assume Legolas is incapable of spreading his arrows farther apart is like saying a runner is incapable of jogging.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Shhhh. Don"t do his work for him. Guy needs to learn to look for "feats" himself before posting battle tactic ideas on a forum.That said, already posted easy counter to a multi-arrow attack.
Be nice. You're lucky that Cap has only had 3 movies that are fairly recent and fresh on everyone's minds.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Anyone who watched the Bolg vs Legolas fight and the Cap vs WS fight will show the level of formidability an opponent needs to have to give either combatants trouble. WS >>> Bolg by "feats". Faster, stronger, better skilled and has better weapons. Melee is absolutely in Cap's favor.
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