Legolas vs Captain America

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The only one selectively quoting is you.. You left off vital parts of my quote to change the context. YOU are the one who did that. Who are you trying to fool now. I POSTED THE ENTIRE QUOTES FROM BOTH OF US. You know what you ONLY quoted me saying.. The ending of what I said leaving out the ENTIRE beginning. I quoted us both ENTIRELY. Which shows the context. it shows you saying Legolas is better over long distances (notice you have yet to prove that, cause you can't lol)... I respond with feats of short distances and go look no long distance running there. then you leave out the whole part of me citing feats showing he owns over short distances.. and only quote the end part. People LITERALLY Robbie.. Literally have laughed at you misquoting me and misrepresenting what I said. The ENTIRE quotes are right there. Your initial quote and claim.. my response citing feats proving your claim false... I then quote you intentionally misquoting me. It's all there.. unlike yours.

I want to catch you in more lies though... What did I misquote exactly? I've quoted the ENTIRE quotes unlike you. Which ones were misquoted? I love catching you in lies lol.

Ownage no. 44 where tard can't admit he's wrong lmao

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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
he doesn't need to fall for them... Legolas is just that fast that he can land blows regardless of Cap knows or believes. You seem to be under the impression that Cap is significantly faster than Legolas where he'll be able to react to anything thrown his way. this could be further from the truth. People much slower than Legolas have tagged and hit Cap... Legolas will have no issue. To even believe Legolas couldn't create opening or land any blows to do so is being purposely obtuse Nib. He would either find opening and exploit them or create them himself. He's just that good.

Show "feats" where he is shown as a match for Cap in speed while in melee range. My wife is a bigger LotR fan than anyone here (it is literally the only movie franchise she watches) and I've seen every movie at least 10-20 (other than the two armies as we have had no time for movies recently) times including extended editions and I don't ever remember seeing Legolas fight at the fluidity/speed that Cap did in WS. He has more impressive balance "feats" but speed? Would love to see which scene you are referencing.

But my memory might be hazy, so please enlighten me.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, no one's reading your diatribe.

You were incorrect, just deal with it, little boy.

He talks in third person and act like everyone is agreeing with him. Who here is agreeing with KT on anything, cause it sounds like a lone child shouting for candy and the grown up's are telling him to be quiet child.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The only one selectively quoting is you.. You left off vital parts of my quote to change the context. YOU are the one who did that. Who are you trying to fool now. I POSTED THE ENTIRE QUOTES FROM BOTH OF US. You know what you ONLY quoted me saying.. The ending of what I said leaving out the ENTIRE beginning. I quoted us both ENTIRELY. Which shows the context. it shows you saying Legolas is better over long distances (notice you have yet to prove that, cause you can't lol)... I respond with feats of short distances and go look no long distance running there. then you leave out the whole part of me citing feats showing he owns over short distances.. and only quote the end part. People LITERALLY Robbie.. Literally have laughed at you misquoting me and misrepresenting what I said. The ENTIRE quotes are right there. Your initial quote and claim.. my response citing feats proving your claim false... I then quote you intentionally misquoting me. It's all there.. unlike yours.

I want to catch you in more lies though... What did I misquote exactly? I've quoted the ENTIRE quotes unlike you. Which ones were misquoted? I love catching you in lies lol.

Ownage no. 44 where tard can't admit he's wrong lmao

Read the first sentence and then stopped, you're doing a classic "no you!" again. Lame.

You were incorrect, just deal with it already and move on, little boy.

Originally posted by Robtard
Read the first sentence and then stopped, you're doing a classic "no you!" again. Lame.

You were incorrect, just deal with it already and move on, little boy.

Originally posted by Robtard
Read the first sentence and then stopped, you're doing a classic "no you!" again. Lame.

You were incorrect, just deal with it already and move on, little boy.

You didn't answer so I could own you again. but you not answering is still owning anyways.. but i'll give you another chance...

You said I misquoted things.. .What exactly did I misquote when I quoted the entire posts of both you and I? (I'm sure you'll avoid again lol)

Is it not true that you only quoted the very of my what I said and left out the entire context of what were we were talking about?

Lastly, would you like to have a BZ that Legolas is better over long distances compared to short distances as you claim? If you won't BZ (which you won't cause you know you'll lose) why don't you back up your claim and quote any place in the LOTR where it says he's better over long distances

Read the first sentence and then stopped because you're still ranting like an angry child 👆

1) Calm down

2) Accept that you were wrong

3) Move on

KT thinks he has you on the run, so his logic is keep going down the wrong road, hoping to lie is way out of his original stance.

Wont work.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Ok, now you're just not following what I type now.....

Hittin two targets with two arrows vs hitting a vulnerable spot on a moving shielded target by using multiple arrows to attack multiple body parts on the same target while running away and shooting from the hip is what we were discussing in terms of difficulty levels here.

I also can't believe that we're back to the "Legolas can hit parts that Cap can't cover with his shield" bit. It's like you just disregarded our entire argument from the past pages and brought us back to square one.....

And yes, he did get hit once by Chituari. Multiple opponents firing at him while he was using his shield to dispatch. It was a low showing at a point where exhaustion and injuries were being shown taking its toll on the main characters. You wanna play the low showing game? Legolas getting his sword thrust caught by a slower, weaker opponent than Cap. I can just as easily say that this proves that Cap can eaily catch his arm and break it like a twig when they engage in melee.

Hitting two targets with two arrows is a lot harder than hitting a single target with 2 arrows. Even regular archers can do this. You put two arrows on your bow and fire at a target. One of the arrows will more or less hit your target while the other one will be about a few inches to foot or so off (depending on how good you are). Think of it like a spread shot. And like I said, anyone who can shoot two different targets is skilled enough to do this.

How exactly is Cap going to block that? Take note that I am not saying that Legolas can hit Cap at will. But 20 arrows is quite a number for someone as skilled as Legolas. Getting 1-3 arrows to hit Cap out of the 20 is not out of the question.

I'm not disregarding anything you said, but you really haven't been able to properly counter my arguments yet. Like I said, you haven't provided feats of Cap changing shield cover to protect multiple body parts from projectiles.

I just provided proof of Cap failing to protect himself during the ONLY feat he has of blocking projectiles fired from different angles. And then now you want to label is "lowballing" and disregard it?

We'll discuss melee feats later (including Legolas's low end feats). For now let's stick to long range fighting and once we're done there then we can move to melee.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
KT thinks he has you on the run, so his logic is keep going down the wrong road, hoping to lie is way out of his original stance.

Wont work.

My passing comment on Legolas not having Cap's sprinting speed (2min mile) but being great at long endurance running doesn't really matter all too much here and no one needed to respond to that, but KT had to be himself and try and one up me because of old burthurt with his "Legolas never ran far!" nonsense. I laugh at him.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL @ Legolas "running circles" around Cap.

The man can almost keep up with a 1940's Plymouth and run around a 2-minute mile for 30mins at a time. "thirteen miles in thirty minutes" -Falcon

Legolas is more of a long endurance runner, as implied in TT.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That wasn't what was implied AT ALL in the TT... The only reference made was that Gimli is better over short distances. Nothing more. When you see Legolas in the spider scene ... in the TT battle for Helm's deep scene... the barrel scene... There is no long distance running... just super fast and quick agile movement killing people

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, why do you always try to one-up me on LoTR when I'm always correct in my claims. But here you go:

"Three days and nights pursuit. No food, no rest. No sign of our quarry, but what bare rock can tell! - Gimli (TT)

That's Gimli commenting how he, Legolas and Aragorn have been relentlessly pursuing the Uruks for three days, trying to save the hobbits. If that doesn't tell you that Legolas is a superb long endurance runner, then you're dense.

"There is no long distance running..." -KT 😂

Originally posted by Robtard
Why do you do this to yourself? LoL! Anyhow. I said Legolas is "more of a long endurance runner", which is directly supported by Gimli's comment:

"Three days and nights pursuit. No food, no rest. No sign of our quarry, but what bare rock can tell! - Gimli (TT)

If you don't think being able to run for 3 days without rest (let alone no food) doesn't prove someone is great at long endurance running, then you are clearly a dunce.

You claimed: "There is no long distance running... just super fast and quick agile movement killing people" - KT

Which is clearly wrong as shown in the beginning of the TT and explained by Gimli.

YouTube video

What's show/stated in the film > what you claim

Edit: Legolas does some decent long distance running in Desolation of Smaug as well. 😂

Its all here, nothing to run away from.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Hitting two targets with two arrows is a lot harder than hitting a single target with 2 arrows. Even regular archers can do this. You put two arrows on your bow and fire at a target. One of the arrows will more or less hit your target while the other one will be about a few inches to foot or so off (depending on how good you are). Think of it like a spread shot. And like I said, anyone who can shoot two different targets is skilled enough to do this.

How exactly is Cap going to block that? Take note that I am not saying that Legolas can hit Cap at will. But 20 arrows is quite a number for someone as skilled as Legolas. Getting 1-3 arrows to hit Cap out of the 20 is not out of the question.

I'm not disregarding anything you said, but you really haven't been able to properly counter my arguments yet. Like I said, you haven't provided feats of Cap changing shield cover to protect multiple body parts from projectiles.

I just provided proof of Cap failing to protect himself during the ONLY feat he has of blocking projectiles fired from different angles. And then now you want to label is "lowballing" and disregard it?

We'll discuss melee feats later (including Legolas's low end feats). For now let's stick to long range fighting and once we're done there then we can move to melee.

I guess you glossed over the "two different body parts, to bait a shielded and moving target while running and shooting from the hip" part....

.......

The same way he blocked winter soldier's point blank assault rifle fire, by curling up and covering his entire body with his shield? Or dodging the arrows he can't block? Are we now moving from the fact that arrows don't move too fast for Cap to react to? Legolas is not landing a hit on Cap with just 20 arrows...

Of course I've countered everything you said. Sadly, you seem to be experiencing a mild form of convenient amnesia as you've now completely forgotten the "arrows are out of their depth in a fight between superhumans" argument and taken the debate to a tangent.

You want a "feat" of Cap changing shield positions to protect multiple body parts from a projectile attack? Winter Soldier shot him with an assault rifle, he curls into a ball behind his shield and covered 100% of his body parts before WS can fire his shots. Oh, and this happened when WS attempted "to make an opening" by kicking him off a car. One on screen "feat" that counters both of your arguments? Sweet. Your move.

Yes. It is lowballing. And the scanrios are different as Cap was fighting multiple opponents here. And it is not his only instance of moving his shield to defend other body parts (which is what we are discussing, not the whole moving-the-goalposts-argument you're now introducing of "multiple angles"😉. And Legolas won't be attacking him from multiple angles unless you are saying he can teleport. He'll be attacking from one angle but targetting multiple body parts. If he tries to "curve" his shot by shooting up, this will only make dodging them easier for Cap. Too much wrong in one argument I can almost keep going forever....

Originally posted by Nibedicus
I guess you glossed over the "two different body parts, to bait a shielded and moving target while running and shooting from the hip" part....

.......

The same way he blocked winter soldier's point blank assault rifle fire, by curling up and covering his entire body with his shield? Or dodging the arrows he can't block? Are we now moving from the fact that arrows don't move too fast for Cap to react to? Legolas is not landing a hit on Cap with just 20 arrows...

Of course I've countered everything you said. Sadly, you seem to be experiencing a mild form of convenient amnesia as you've now completely forgotten the "arrows are out of their depth in a fight between superhumans" argument and taken the debate to a tangent.

You want a "feat" of Cap changing shield positions to protect multiple body parts from a projectile attack? Winter Soldier shot him with an assault rifle, he curls into a ball behind his shield and covered 100% of his body parts before WS can fire his shots. Oh, and this happened when WS attempted "to make an opening" by kicking him off a car. One on screen "feat" that counters both of your arguments? Sweet. Your move.

Yes. It is lowballing. And the scanrios are different as Cap was fighting multiple opponents here. And it is not his only instance of moving his shield to defend other body parts (which is what we are discussing, not the whole moving-the-goalposts-argument you're now introducing of "multiple angles"😉. And Legolas won't be attacking him from multiple angles unless you are saying he can teleport. He'll be attacking from one angle but targetting multiple body parts. If he tries to "curve" his shot by shooting up, this will only make dodging them easier for Cap. Too much wrong in one argument I can almost keep going forever....

It's not lowballing because Cap doesn't have better feats of being targetted in multiple areas. It's the ONLY feat he has and so you can't call it a low end feat.

As for glossing over... I don't intentionally gloss over anything, but some things you mention are explainable by common sense. For example, "2 different body parts"... if you shoot 2 arrows that are about a foot or so apart, aren't you effectively targeting 2 different body parts? When has WS ever shot Cap with two bullets at the same time? He didn't shoot him with a shotgun that I recall. Prove that Cap can block two projectiles at the same time hitting two different targets and you're good. Sure he can curl himself into a ball, but then he'll never get close to Legolas like that.

As for "shooting from the hip", Legolas almost always shoots without aiming during combat. This shouldn't even be an issue.

Bottom line is, I keep presenting you with feats, both from Legolas and Cap to prove my point. Then when you don't like a feat that I mentioned you call it "lowballing".

I've given the "feats" you asked, now provice a scene where Legolas shot multiple body parts of a single target to bypass a shielding.

The annoying part is that I didn't even have to provide any "feats". YOU made the assertion that Legolas will do a specific attack. YOU need to provide "feats" that show the character you are defending can do it BEFOR asking other people to provide "feats" that show that the character they are defedning can protect against it. That is just debating/logic 101 here....

Originally posted by FrothByte
It's not lowballing because Cap doesn't have better feats of being targetted in multiple areas. It's the ONLY feat he has and so you can't call it a low end feat.

As for glossing over... I don't intentionally gloss over anything, but some things you mention are explainable by common sense. For example, "2 different body parts"... if you shoot 2 arrows that are about a foot or so apart, aren't you effectively targeting 2 different body parts? When has WS ever shot Cap with two bullets at the same time? He didn't shoot him with a shotgun that I recall. Prove that Cap can block two projectiles at the same time hitting two different targets and you're good. Sure he can curl himself into a ball, but then he'll never get close to Legolas like that.

Bottom line is, I keep presenting you with feats, both from Legolas and Cap to prove my point. Then when you don't like a feat that I mentioned you call it "lowballing".

Of course it is lowballing. It is not the same scenario and nowhere near the same conditions and is in a scene where dramatic effect was being portrayed and not even the only instance Cap protected multiple body parts.

You serious? I just provided you with the very "feat" of him defending multiple body parts. And you're saying I didn't provide "feats"??? Where the hell is YOUR "feat"???

Shooting arrows a foot or two apart to spread your hit is NOT the same as using the same method to targer SPECIFIC body parts on a moving shielded target in order to bypass his shield defense. You might as well claim that being able to shoot a basketball from 10 feet is equal to being able to shoot a basketball from 10 feet while you have 2 NBA guards attempting to block you.

Or you know, he can stand up after the arrows land and run again? If he can defend against someone as fast as WS shooting him from 10 feet with an assualt rifle as he was just kicked off a car and get back up and attack, he can defend himself from Legolas shooting him with a bow and arrow....

And yes, you gloss over stuff. The second you can't refute an argument, you then conveniently forget to mention it on your next reply and then attempt to change the entire point of contention as if that was what we were discussing. You've done it multiple times and I'm sure you'll do it again on your next reply.

I call BS. YOU presented me with no "feat" whatsoever (of multi-arrow shooting to bypass shielding) and never even specified when he shot two arrows at two targets. At this point, I'm beginning to think talking to you is pointless as you tend to project your own inadequacies within a debate on other ppl.

Just to put things in perspective: Legolas has maybe 20 arrows which can travel at about 300 fps. Cap charged a guy with a mini-gun which can shoot 2,000 to 6,000 rounds per minute and has a muzzle velocity of 2,800 fps. And Cap destroyed the shooter.

Just saying.

Ok let me get this straight. Legolas has a feat where he shoots two different opponents with two arrows and for some reason you don't think he can hit one target in two different areas???

Originally posted by Dreampanther
Just to put things in perspective: Legolas has maybe 20 arrows which can travel at about 300 fps. Cap charged a guy with a mini-gun which can shoot 2,000 to 6,000 rounds per minute and has a muzzle velocity of 2,800 fps. And Cap destroyed the shooter.

Just saying.

Yeah, that shooter also conveniently just kept shooting at where Cap's shield was.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok let me get this straight. Legolas has a feat where he shoots two different opponents with two arrows and for some reason you don't think he can hit one target in two different areas???

Not what I said. Check.

Moving the goalposts. Check.

Glossed over other arguments. Check.

Oh. And not even providing movie/scene of said two target shooting. Check.

Originally posted by Robtard
Read the first sentence and then stopped because you're still ranting like an angry child 👆

1) Calm down

2) Accept that you were wrong

3) Move on

More Ownage

Concession Accept you won't BZ the topic

another concession you didn't quote me fully

Damn you just can't beat me