Legolas vs Captain America

Originally posted by FrothByte
It actually takes more skill to group your arrows together than it does to let them spread apart. A beginner who tries the same trickshot would almost surely have his arrows fly far apart. I know, I've tried.

I'll have to find the specific scene to see just how far apart those two goblins were, but to assume Legolas is incapable of spreading his arrows farther apart is like saying a runner is incapable of jogging.

Or like saying a guy with superhuman stats and a shield can't block more than his head/torso.

Originally posted by KingD19
Or like saying a guy with superhuman stats and a shield can't block more than his head/torso.

I never said he can't. I just don't think his shield can be in two places at once.

Or block multiple arrows all coming at him one after another targetting different areas of his body.

He can block most of it, just not all. After all, it's already been proven that his defense is not impregnable.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I never said he can't. I just don't think his shield can be in two places at once.

Or block multiple arrows all coming at him one after another targetting different areas of his body.

He can block most of it, just not all. After all, it's already been proven that his defense is not impregnable.

I can't believe we're still in the multi-arrow argumant phase when I've already shown a tactic that works best with the specific scene where Cap used it...

Multi-arrow attack is blocked by shield-curl. Why are we even still discussing this?

His defense is "not impregnable" because he got hit while using his shield to bash one Chitauri, opening himself up to a surprise attack by another group of them? Conditions that don't exist in this fight?

I migh as well claim that Legolas' aim isn't perfect because he missed his target in the extended edition when Gimli interrupted his shot...

So... Cap will forever just curl in a ball then? How's he ever gonna close the distance with Legolas? Maybe he can crawl forward... but then Legolas can just dance away. He'll have to stand up and run sometime.

Cap put his shield somewhere else where the shot was coming from and he wasn't able to bring it back fast enough to block the next attack. That's the point of all this. Granted it's a different scenario, but you also have to take into consideration that 1. Cap had Thor for help and he still got hit, 2. Those chitauri can't aim worth a damn.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So... Cap will forever just curl in a ball then? How's he ever gonna close the distance with Legolas? Maybe he can crawl forward... but then Legolas can just dance away. He'll have to run sometime.

He can do it in response to Legolas aiming at him and just stand up and run as soon as the arrows bounce off his shield. He was fast enough to curl up as WS kicked him off a car and followed with assault rifle fire, he's fast enough to react to Leg's shot. The second he sees two arrows on the bow, he'll know to cover up. Being a trajectory genius and all, he'll see it coming.

Geez, I already posted this, too.... Sigh.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Cap put his shield somewhere else where the shot was coming from and he wasn't able to bring it back fast enough to block the next attack. That's the point of all this. Granted it's a different scenario, but you also have to take into consideration that

1. Cap had Thor for help and he still got hit, 2. Those chitauri can't aim worth a damn.

He was distracted fighting in melee and didn't see another group sneak up on them. A scenario that does not and will never exist in this fight. The point is wrong, as there will be no distraction vs Cap on this fight. The same way as there is no one here to interrupt Legolas' shot as well.

1) Irrelevant. 2) What does bad aim have to do with anything? The fact is that particular shot was on target at a time when Cap was distracted fighting someone else.

In every fight where he saw his opponents and he had his opponent in front of him, he has had far better showings in blocking their attacks. You clinging to one low showing that had variables nonexistent in this scenario reeks of desperation, don't you think?

Originally posted by Nibedicus
He was distracted fighting in melee and didn't see another group sneak up on them. A scenario that does not and will never exist in this fight. The point is wrong, as there will be no distraction vs Cap on this fight. The same way as there is no one here to interrupt Legolas' shot as well.

1) Irrelevant. 2) What does bad aim have to do with anything? The fact is that particular shot was on target at a time when Cap was distracted fighting someone else.

In every fight where he saw his opponents and he had his opponent in front of him, he has had far better showings in blocking their attacks. You clinging to one low showing that had variables nonexistent in this scenario reeks of desperation, don't you think?

Clinging to one low showing? I have placed so many feats in front of you that you fail to address. This is just another one I'm putting out there. For example, I'm still waiting for you to refute the "So will Cap just curl into a ball the entire fight?" question.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Clinging to one low showing? I have placed so many feats in front of you that you fail to address. This is just another one I'm putting out there. For example,

Clinging to one showing (the Avenger scene where Cap gets shot) is exactly what you're doing.

What "feats" did I fail to address? What "so many feats" that you posted are you even talking about?? Pls repost the ones I "failed to address" as at this point, I'm calling BS on your shenanigans. As you have failed to address FAR MORE arguments than anyone else in this thread. I'm about to straight up call you a liar....

Originally posted by FrothByte
I'm still waiting for you to refute the "So will Cap just curl into a ball the entire fight?" question.

Do you even read what ppl post? Should I even bother replying to you as you seem to go blind the minute someone refutes your argument and then pretend that your points were never refuted?

Here, this is the THIRD time I've posted this rebuttal. If you even say one more time that I was unable to refute this SAME argument that I've refuted multiple times, you're going on my "liar" list.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
He can do it in response to Legolas aiming at him and just stand up and run as soon as the arrows bounce off his shield. He was fast enough to curl up as WS kicked him off a car and followed with assault rifle fire, he's fast enough to react to Leg's shot. The second he sees two arrows on the bow, he'll know to cover up. Being a trajectory genius and all, he'll see it coming.

Legolas can use this environment to his advantage however, he jumped across a long river killing dozens of Orcs and showed no issues with perfectly placing shots whilst on the move with perfect grace and agility.

Legolas can use falling objects to climb and create distances, Cap can't.

Legolas can easily swing through trees and effortlessly glide through very thick environments whilst shooting, cap can't.

Legolas has easily dodged melee attacks and shots from Uruks, Orcs, Southrons and goblins. He has been slightly hurt just once in 11 on-screen fights. Generic Uruk-Hai have easily ran for days on end with no rest whilst wearing heavy armor and carrying Hobbits. They are stated to have an average height of 6'5 and are absolute physical specimens. Their bows and crossbows which some of them weild one-handed is stated to require strength greater than any man, only Uruk-Hai can use them. Legolas has over-powered several.

Legolas packs a shot strong enough to pierce Isengard forged steel, kill the Uruk wearing that armor, come out the other side, pierce another set of armor and kill the second Uruk. His arrows have gone clean through the skulls of Orcs, Uruks & Goblins and instantly killed trolls, wargs and Oliphaunts.

Legolas with one hand was matching the strength of both of Bolg's arms. He has thrown Orcrist with such strength it went clean through a Gundabad Orc at some distance. He has also KO'd agents of Isengard with a backhand.

His aim is such that clean shots at the neck, skull, stomach, foreleg, etc... was easily achieved from extreme distances.

Just some random feats I can remember from a marathon we had the other day.

I msgd a mod back then, but in the comics VS forums, battles happen in a "featureless environment". Meaning he can't use the environment to his advantage. Don't know how it works in the movie forums, tho.

No one is saying that Legolas isn't badass. Cap just operates on a higer lvl in melee. Legolas pwns in range but his weapon is just perfectly countered by Cap's shield, style and stats.

Unless stated in the OP, the arena is a neutral one, giving neither opponent an advantage other the other. This has been the unwritten rule for years here.

I think melee is closer than what people think. If a shield agent can stab and punch Cap, more than once, Leg shouldn't have any problems doing the same. Let's not make Cap into the unhittable character. Running speed is different than combat speed.

Originally posted by carver9
I think melee is closer than what people think. If a shield agent can stab and punch Cap,

Must be forgetting something, when did this happen and what was the context of the fight?

Originally posted by Robtard
Must be forgetting something, when did this happen and what was the context of the fight?

The only thing I can think of is when Rumlow/Crossbones was the last man standing in the elevator and got like one or two shots in on Cap before getting schooled like everyone else.

Agents of SHIELD are pretty impressive "feat"-wise themselves.

High-level operatives can actually face down superhumans and do well (tho eventually losing w/o help). Some even took hits from a Kree that managed to beat Lady Sif and keep on fighting. Watch the series. Getting hit a few times when surrounded by SHIELD agents when one hand is basically bound is not a low "feat".

Originally posted by KingD19
The only thing I can think of is when Rumlow/Crossbones was the last man standing in the elevator and got like one or two shots in on Cap before getting schooled like everyone else.

Hydra guys then. But exactly, that was Cap without shield in hand vs 10 guys in a very confined space.

I'm also pretty sure he was actively not trying to kill anyone, since he could have turned them to ass-jelly if he wanted.

Originally posted by Robtard
Hydra guys then. But exactly, that was Cap without shield in hand vs 10 guys in a very confined space.

I'm also pretty sure he was actively not trying to kill anyone, since he could have turned them to ass-jelly if he wanted.

Considering he had a few hundred thousand volts pumped through his body and casually flung Rumlow into the ceiling, yeah he could have pulverized everyone in there with a single hit if he felt like it. He's got Spidey syndrome where he holds back considering the damage he's done to Chitauri, vehicles, and Ultron drones.

Originally posted by FrothByte
So... Cap will forever just curl in a ball then? How's he ever gonna close the distance with Legolas? Maybe he can crawl forward... but then Legolas can just dance away. He'll have to stand up and run sometime.

Cap put his shield somewhere else where the shot was coming from and he wasn't able to bring it back fast enough to block the next attack. That's the point of all this. Granted it's a different scenario, but you also have to take into consideration that 1. Cap had Thor for help and he still got hit, 2. Those chitauri can't aim worth a damn.

Since when did Lego have a unlimited supply of ammo now in this fight?

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, look how angry you are over being wrong and embarrassing yourself over and over again.

Strawman tactics again, you're so awful at this. I said "Legolas is more of a long endurance runner", which was in regards/comparison to Cap's 2min mile sprinting. Legolas is, as running 3 days without rest proves he's absolutely great at long endurance running. It's a fact, deal with it.

You ranted "There is no long distance running", which is completely wrong as shown and have been doing comical flips for me for pages now.

Is English not your first language or are you this stupid? I'm genuinely curious. I'm going to hold your hand and walk you through this. Take a look at the quote

"When you see Legolas in the spider scene ... in the TT battle for Helm's deep scene... the barrel scene... There is no long distance running... just super fast and quick agile movement killing people"

Now, notice the word WHEN and the words IN... now see if you can follow along here. WHEN you see Legolas IN the spider scene.. the TT battle scene.. the barrel scene THERE IS NO LONG DISTANCE RUNNING. That was the completion of the sentence. In this scene in that scene you see this. How something so easy and basic in structure alludes you, shows how dumb you are. It says IN this scene and that scene THIS doesnt' happen. How could I be talking about Legolas not ever running long distances. If that were the case the sentence in the thought would be incomplete. How is that even logically possible. So I was just saying in this scene and in that scene... and then don't finish the sentence or thought LOL. That's your theory LMAO. God you're a dunce and a liar. I'm starting to think English isn't your first language. IF somebody tells you... when you see your mom... going to a strange house... meeting strangers at a hotel.. sneaking people in her house... There is no sex just foreplay. To a moron like you who needs to lie and misquote cause they are getting owned... It would actually mean there never sex only foreplay. That's how your logical progression would follow. Only everybody knows the ending of that sentence is referring directly to the situations I named not that this has never happened ever. Did you graduate high school. Serious question?

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Originally posted by Nibedicus
I can't believe we're still in the multi-arrow argumant phase when I've already shown a tactic that works best with the specific scene where Cap used it...

Multi-arrow attack is blocked by shield-curl. Why are we even still discussing this?

His defense is "not impregnable" because he got hit while using his shield to bash one Chitauri, opening himself up to a surprise attack by another group of them? Conditions that don't exist in this fight?

I migh as well claim that Legolas' aim isn't perfect because he missed his target in the extended edition when Gimli interrupted his shot...

I'm genuinely curious... If Legolas strikes Cap in the head with a punch or the heel of his sword... does it move Cap at all or affect him?

Could Legolas get off an arrow shot as a counter. Which is to say... Cap would go for punch (shield down to melee) and Legolas either dodges and fire right away or dodges strikes back and fires... Could he get off an arrow in time before Cap could raise his shield?