Originally posted by Hero of Python
Interesting. I always thought of Aotc Anakin as being a smidge below 3 and 4 just due to sheer inexperience.How close are her fights against 5 and 6?
Barsen'thor below Scourge (normal)? 🤨
Anyways, HoT is already a fantastic warrior during Act 1 period. He emerged as an expert swordsman and defeated several Sith Lords including Darth Angral* and even a few Children of the Emperor.
So:
1. Easily
2. Easily
3. Easily
4. Easily
5. Stops (Assuming Barsen'thor at prime)
Otherwise:-
Clears.
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*Darth Angral was among the most powerful Sith of the Empire.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Seems like you haven't played Jedi Knight story.Even if you have, you have short memory.
4 times actually.
Angral was passed his prime, and unbalanced by the loss of his son, evidenced by his frankly suicidal antics. Not to mention the hero didn't do it alone, Kira was there as well, and we know she was because of the storyline.
Even if she did beat Angral alone, Angral's got nothing on Dooku and Skywalker gave him a good fight.
Originally posted by Selenial
4 times actually.Angral was passed his prime, and unbalanced by the loss of his son, evidenced by his frankly suicidal antics. Not to mention the hero didn't do it alone, Kira was there as well, and we know she was because of the storyline.
Even if she did beat Angral alone, Angral's got nothing on Dooku and Skywalker gave him a good fight.
Nothing implies that Angral was past his prime or unstable as of Act I. He was angry at the death of his son and Sith tend to fuel their strength from emotions such as anger. Angral have history of defeating Jedi Master Orgus Din and proving to be a match for powerful Darth Baras. Angral also happened to be an expert swordsman since he honed several great warriors including Lord Praven and out-dueled both Orgus Din and Baras. I wouldn't underestimate him.
As for Kira, Emperor sabotaged her interference by possessing her.
Besides, HoT have defeated several noteworthy foes during Act 1. Shall I make a list?
Also, recall this?
"You are stronger than any Jedi I have known"
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nice excuses.Nothing implies that Angral was past his prime as of Act I. And he have history of defeating Jedi Master Orgus Din and Darth Baras.
As for Kira, Emperor sabotaged here interference by possessing her.
Besides, HoT have defeated several noteworthy foes during Act 1. Shall I make a list?
Also, recall this?
"You are stronger than any Jedi I have known"
He sabotaged her after the fight, you've got some serious rose tinted glasses on here.
None of the foes he's defeatee even come close to Dooku, so you can make a list all you want I won't care. Not to mention Kira was there every single time.
Anakin was said to have more raw force potential than Yoda, by far. That's a lot more impressive. Not to mention a short few years later he supposedly had strength that eclipsed that of Yoda, where in the same time HOT didn't improve even to levels of Vitiate. Judging retrospectively it should be obvious which of them is stronger in the force...
Originally posted by Selenial
He sabotaged her after the fight, you've got some serious rose tinted glasses on here.
As soon as Angral fell, Emperor had acquired full control over Kira. And HoT then had to contend with her.
Watch:
Originally posted by Selenial
None of the foes he's defeatee even come close to Dooku, so you can make a list all you want I won't care. Not to mention Kira was there every single time.
In an Empire where Sith undergo harsh trials just to prove themselves worthy for Sith mantle and becoming a Lord is a major challenge in itself, I don't think that standards for becoming a Lord would be below that of Count or Maul.
You are simply taking advantage of lack of exploration of SWTOR characters in the context of feats. In this manner, movie characters would always seem superior.
I don't think that Darth Angral would be lesser then Count. In-fact, I don't think that even Lord Praven would be lesser then Count.
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About Lord Praven:-
A Sith pureblood, Lord Praven has trained in the ways of the Force since the earliest years of his youth. Fiercely loyal to the Emperor and an ardent believer in the philosophical teachings of the dark side, Praven is surprisingly calm and collected in his speech and actions. He follows a strict code of personal honor, and unlike many other Sith, he eschews random acts of cruelty and sadism. Despite this, he is sworn to destroy the Jedi and considers them his mortal enemies. During the Sacking of Coruscant, Lord Praven killed Master Usma–one of the Jedi's most famous duelists–in an epic battle. But he spared Usma’s young Padawan, telling her to seek him out once she had finished her training so they could face each other as equals. When she tracked him down years later, he honored his promise, sending her to the same fate as her Master.
Taken from SWTOR
During the events representing Act 1 of Jedi Knight related story arc of the COLD WAR, Lord Praven soundly defeated a Jedi Council member and eye-witnesses informed HoT that they have never seen a warrior like him before on Tatooine.
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Among the Jedi of this era, HoT is the only one to have defeated Lord Praven in single combat. Any other who challenged Lord Praven before, ended-up dead. Based on this data alone, it is safe to assume that HoT is above the first 4 challengers of this gauntlet during the later stages of Act 1. None of them have hype greater then even Jedi Master Usma as of this time, forget Lord Praven.
Originally posted by Selenial
Anakin was said to have more raw force potential than Yoda, by far. That's a lot more impressive. Not to mention a short few years later he supposedly had strength that eclipsed that of Yoda, where in the same time HOT didn't improve even to levels of Vitiate. Judging retrospectively it should be obvious which of them is stronger in the force...
I, honestly, don't find Anakin consistent in his showings. Going by his hype, he should be the most powerful Jedi to have ever existed but this ins't the case. In-fact, Disney seems to have revised Anakin's potential related hype in canon:
Discovered as a slave on Tatooine by Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker had the potential to become one of the most powerful Jedi ever, and was believed by some to be the prophesied Chosen One who would bring balance to the Force. A hero of the Clone Wars, Anakin was caring and compassionate, but also had a fear of loss that would prove to be his downfall.
Taken from Star Wars official website.
And in this contest, Anakin, as of AOTC, is being considered.
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HoT didn't improve even to levels of Vitiate? You make it sound like as if approaching Vitiate's level of raw power is easy. Vitiate had spent over a millennium to develop and hone his powers. BioWare seems to imply that no Jedi or Sith can match power of Vitiate. Even the combined might of Dread Masters is stated to be insignificant in comparison to that of Emperor.
SWTOR seems to diverge from earlier dictums of Star Wars based content in the matters of power of characters.
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Coming back to HoT, I stand by my earlier assessment.
I think Act I Hero could beat Act I Barsen'thor, but not her peak. It's kind of hard to place the Hero as of Act I since multiple people state she's the most powerful Jedi around pretty much from the start of the game but she lacks solid feats. Lots of impressive wins though.
Also although she did fight Angral with Kira, she then had to fight Kira possessed by Vitiate, who was likely a far more challenging fighter than Kira is normally, so that more than makes up for it.
Originally posted by AncientPower
An average Lord in the Sith Empire is Darth Maul and Count Dooku tier, LeGenD Logic.
The reconstituted Sith Empire set higher standards for becoming a Sith then ever before after the debacle of Great Hyperspace War.
Among the Sith, a Lord represents a master of the Force or a super warrior with the expected ability to defeat most Jedi in single combat. Though Lords often run into Jedi prodigies, confrontations that can swing either way. Among millions, few have the potential to become a Lord.
Basic SWTOR facts:-
Champion of the Dark Side (Sith Warrior class)
Details here: http://www.swtor.com/holonet/classes/sith-warrior
Sinister, Deceptive, Prodigy of Force Power (Sith Inquisitor class)
Details here: http://www.swtor.com/holonet/classes/sith-inquisitor
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Just because BioWare doesn't have the resources to demonstrate the epicness of every Lord of the Empire, doesn't means that they suck. BioWare have provided lore to guide people to come to informed conclusions about SWTOR related content.
To give you an idea, two virtually unknown Dark Council members Victun and Qalar managed to destroy the first Citadel of Dromund Kaas in a Kaggath while attempting to kill each other. The building got busted as a side-effect of the exchange of powers between the two Sith prodigies.
Similarly, the confrontation between Thanaton and Exal Kressh resulted in devastation of an entire space colony, thanks in part to the latter's intention towards this end.
Learn the history.
Originally posted by AncientPower
An average Lord in the Sith Empire is Darth Maul and Count Dooku tier, LeGenD Logic.
This, I always get sucked into debates with him because I forget how ridiculous his posts are. I understand why no one takes him seriously.
Literally no point replying, because surely no one else is brain damaged enough to believe that.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
How about you buy the SWTOR Enyclopedia and learn about the high standards for becoming a Sith Lord in the Empire?The reconstituted Sith Empire set higher standards for becoming a Sith then ever before after the debacle of Great Hyperspace War.
Among the Sith, a [B]Lord
represents a master of the Force or a super warrior with the expected ability to defeat most Jedi in single combat. Though Lords often run into Jedi prodigies, confrontations that can swing either way. Among millions, few have the potential to become a Lord.Basic SWTOR facts:-
Champion of the Dark Side (Sith Warrior class)
Details here: http://www.swtor.com/holonet/classes/sith-warrior
Sinister, Deceptive, Prodigy of Force Power (Sith Inquisitor class)
Details here: http://www.swtor.com/holonet/classes/sith-inquisitor
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Just because BioWare doesn't have the resources to demonstrate the epicness of every Lord of the Empire, doesn't means that they suck. BioWare have provided lore to guide people to come to informed conclusions about SWTOR related content.
To give you an idea, two virtually unknown Dark Council members Victun and Qalar managed to destroy the first Citadel of Dromund Kaas in a Kaggath while attempting to kill each other. The building got busted as a side-effect of the exchange of powers between the two Sith prodigies.
Similarly, the confrontation between Thanaton and Exal Kressh resulted in devastation of an entire space colony, thanks in part to the latter's intention towards this end.
Learn the history. [/B]
So basically...
Originally posted by AncientPower
An average Lord in the Sith Empire is Darth Maul and Count Dooku tier, LeGenD Logic.