You mean like when someone's opinion is heavily biased because of a deep personal connection. Maybe between a master and apprentice. One that's demonstrably affected someones judgement at times with severe consequences. Just a thought, dunno how that could be relevant when discussing Dooku's hype or anything but just throwing it out there.
I mean clearly Morr, Din, Satele, Braga and Scourge aren't credibly at all and are all just exaggerating. Because of their clear bias. Whereas Dooku's hype suffers from nothing even like that.
Act I HoT is also one of the most powerful Jedi in history and Windu's level at that point is unsubstantiated and not necessarily better than the HoT. Windu would probably lose to Act I Barsen'thor considering her feats. 😉
Also when you have multiple completely separate character statements that all say the same thing, that adds credibility to the stance.
Care to explain how Kaedan captured the dread masters?
Beating 100 mando is impressive, but probably not outside of Dooku's capability. And what is the direct quote for this? I know it exists, I just want to see it.
A powerful dark council member that Braga couldn't actually defeat and mace Windu are two distinctly different things.
Satele is meh.
The barsen'thor's feat at the end of act 1 is a perpetuated farce. Vivicar hadn't absorbed the power of hundreds of jedi masters yet, based on what he says prior to the fight. Her TK feats are still great, though they aren't anything dooku couldn't replicate in any fashion.
And the hero's actual saber/combat feats at the end of act 1 don't match dooku being mace windu'a equal as a lightsaber combatant. Not forgetting that dooku is just as if not more competent with the force as with a lightsaber.
And neph, even in dark rendezvous it's still stated that dooku= Windu in sabers.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Care to explain how Kaedan captured the dread masters?Beating 100 mando is impressive, but probably not outside of Dooku's capability. And what is the direct quote for this? I know it exists, I just want to see it.
A powerful dark council member that Braga couldn't actually defeat and mace Windu are two distinctly different things.
Satele is meh.
The barsen'thor's feat at the end of act 1 is a perpetuated farce. Vivicar hadn't absorbed the power of hundreds of jedi masters yet, based on what he says prior to the fight. Her TK feats are still great, though they aren't anything dooku couldn't replicate in any fashion.
And the hero's actual saber/combat feats at the end of act 1 don't match dooku being mace windu'a equal as a lightsaber combatant. Not forgetting that dooku is just as if not more competent with the force as with a lightsaber.
And neph, even in dark rendezvous it's still stated that dooku= Windu in sabers.
He boarded their ship with Havoc Squad while their fear powers were being mitigated and then I guess they were defeated in a conventional fight?
Kellian Jarro. You also get his backstory when given the assignment. And sure, Dooku would be capable of that. As a Sith. But as a Jedi? Didn't he actually fight Mando's as a Jedi? How'd he do?
He converted him. And was able to fight for days on end. That's impressive.
Ha ha ha no, she's not.
Uh, yes he had. His whole speech was about how you couldn't beat him because he was drawing power from hundreds of Masters. And Thor was weak and tired. It's an incredible feat. And her TK feats are better than what Jedi Dooku can do. Which is????
Windu's ability at that point isn't substantiated.
And in Dark Rendezvous I'm sure they are. But this isn't that Dooku.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
No canonical source credits him among the most powerful Jedi in history.You mean, all from the same characters? Not really.
It doesn't need to be said.
Those 5 characters are all the same??? That's a hell of a twist, thanks for spoiling it you asshat.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He boarded their ship with Havoc Squad while their fear powers were being mitigated and then I guess they were defeated in a conventional fight?Kellian Jarro. You also get his backstory when given the assignment. And sure, Dooku would be capable of that. As a Sith. But as a Jedi? Didn't he actually fight Mando's as a Jedi? How'd he do?
He converted him. And was able to fight for days on end. That's impressive.
Ha ha ha no, she's not.
Uh, yes he had. His whole speech was about how you couldn't beat him because he was drawing power from hundreds of Masters. And Thor was weak and tired. It's an incredible feat. And her TK feats are better than what Jedi Dooku can do. Which is????
Windu's ability at that point isn't substantiated.
And in Dark Rendezvous I'm sure they are. But this isn't that Dooku.
Considering almost their entire offense is stipulated from fear, and that literally nothing is known about the confrontation, and their other feats and accolades make kaedan look like a relative fly....yeah there isn't tremendous consistency there.
Yeah, so he killed a total of 100. For some reason I thought he'd fought them all at the same time. Yeah the battle as whole went pretty badly for dooku, though I question how much of that was due to his individual lack of power or ability.
Impressive in terms of endurance and pacifism, not necessarily in skill or offensive force capability.
Her force strength is great, but her lightsaber skill and combative body of work are somewhat incongruent with her power. And besides, during SWTOR satele wasn't a warrior anymore and past her peak.
False. He says with the proper rituals, he can siphon that power, and that soon (when he starts siphoning it,) he'll become the most powerful force adept in history.
True, at that point windu's skill is unsubstantiated, I'll concede.
Proof that dooku's lightsaber skill increased as a sith?
If you haven't already noticed, I'm basing my notions off of the fact that Jedi dooku isn't exponentially weaker than sith dooku. I'm power scaling, like a lot of people do for TOR characters such as vivicar, braga, kellian jarro, and Kaedan.
Originally posted by Nephthys
If we're going by hype and implications, Act 1 HoT being better than Kaeden (beat the Dread Masters), Jarro (stomped 100 Mando's in one battle), Corin Tok (deemed indestructible), Tol Braga (dueled a DC member for several days), Satele (Shan) and the Barsen'thor (pwned a Vivicar empowered by hundreds of Jedi Masters) then I'd suggest the Hero is better than Dooku.
I suppose it all depends where you place Jedi Dooku amongst Old Republic characters. Somewhere around Tol Braga and Emperor's Wrath sounds reasonable.
Act II HoT took out the latter with minimal difficulty, and took out the former (w/ Darkside boost) incredibly easily in Act III. Not to mention my darkside HoT dominated Braga's mind as easily as Vitiate did.
Jedi Dooku will take the majority of the fights I think, but Act I HoT beating him is definitely not out of the question.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Act II Hero fought the Wrath to a stalemate.
Maybe I overestimated game mechanics. Either way, in one of the immediately-after-act II holoterminal conversations you can threaten to end him and he shuts right up, so I imagine HoT is safely above him even if their first fight was a stalemate.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Yeah - and Dooku's and Mace's are sourcebook hype. See the difference?
Lore have credibility whether it is book-based or game-based. Both are official information.
HoT is stated to be the strongest Jedi in a span of generations at the time of his arrival on Tython. He continues to grow in strength and ability afterwards.
SWTOR promotes HoT as the most powerful Jedi of the Order, period.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
HoT is stated to be the strongest Jedi in a span of generations at the time of his arrival on Tython.