Act I Hero of Tython runs a gauntlet

I meant besides Shan and Morr, they all say along the lines of "in generations." Sorry for not clarifying.
Braga saying Hero's the best solider in the Order doesn't place him above Jedi Council members, silly.
Then we have Benegel Morr, who had tough relations with the council. Of course he will put the Hero over them.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I meant besides Shan and Morr, they all say along the lines of "in generations." Sorry for not clarifying.
Braga saying Hero's the best solider in the Order doesn't place him above Jedi Council members, silly.
Then we have Benegel Morr, who had tough relations with the council. Of course he will put the Hero over them.

No they don't. The only one that's like that is Orgus saying shes stronger than he's seen in decades. But I fail to see why he wouldn't be including current Jedi rather than a more limited meaning.

Oh please, don't pull that semantics crap on me. Plus 'Thor and Jarro weren't even on the council. Plus it's backed up by 4 more statements all saying she's above all Jedi, even the council. Satele's statements are more than enough when backed up by the others.

Bengal Morr who spent a decade plotting to overthrow the Jedi Order and was the apprentice of the most veteran, experienced Jedi in the order and was stationed on Coruscant.

Plus, it's not as if the Hero doesn't know the Barsen'thor very well. Considering all the flashpoints they go on together. If she was lesser than her I'm sure she would have contradicted these statements putting her above 'Thor. And obviously 3 Jedi Council members, one of whom is the Grandmaster, know what they're talking about.

I don't know why you're challenging this, you really doubt that she's the best Jedi in TOR?

If I didn't doubt it, I wouldn't be challenging it. 😉

You haven't really been that challenging so far, bro. 😉

That's probably because I'm not interested in being challenging.

No offense but debates with you almost inevitably end in circles.
It is the reason why many posters stop replying to you mid-way in.
There's nothing wrong with that, it's good to stand strong, but still...

Then again, upon completion of the Wrath thread, I might be interested.

Oh christ wait.... your just defensive over Revan aren't you?

Geez man, none of these guys even know he's alive. Well, maybe Scourge. Chillax.

How funny.

Ok, but do you have any reason to doubt these statements? The only Jedi who rivals her in 'Thor but I stand that the Hero > her. We can even do a quick comparison because even Act III 'Thor has trouble with the Children whereas Act I HoT beats one mid-act no-probs.

Plus Thor is covered by your "in generations" bs.

A Councilor and I went to Malestrom and Revan talked to me first. He said the Force was the stronger in me than he's sensed in a long time but not to Thor. Power confirmed.

Originally posted by Trocity
So basically...

Essentially.

Act 1 HoT probably beats 1, 3, 4, and 6. The Hero is definitely the most powerful jedi alive by the end of Act 3, though.

Weren't you the one arguing that Act II Scourge stalemated Act II HoT?

This is pre-Wrath Scourge, from the book.

Ah, my mistake. Yeah, I can see that going either way, but leaning Scourge still.

Cool discussion guys, learned a lot.

Do any of you think that end of act I HoT could stand a chance against Jedi Knight Malak or Dooku?

Probably not, just curious. How badly would she lose if that's the case?

Also I've never played the Consular story so I could be interpreting this incorrectly, but I find the disparity between the JK and JC to be a bit funny. Obviously the HoT is much stronger by the end, but shouldn't the JC also be considered "one of the strongest Jedi in generations" by people like Satele and Tol Braga if they can also take down Children of the Emperor by act III? Sure it took them longer to get to that point, but HoT was declared to be a badass even before taking down Angral and a Child of the Emperor....

Act 1 hero is stronger than jedi Malak, but definitely weaker than jedi dooku.

Stronger than Malak, couldn't say about Dooku. Maybe.

Also Satele says the Consular is one of the strongest Jedi in history at one point in the DLC. And she really does have some of the best feats of any Jedi ever.

Jedi Dooku has the necessary hype, (wisest, most powerful Jedi Yoda had ever trained, one of the most powerful in the order's entire history,) and implications (defeating/matching Mace Windu in lightsaber combat, probably not significantly lesser than Sith dooku ) to be placed above act 1 HoT, IMO.

Originally posted by Hero of Python
Do any of you think that end of act I HoT could stand a chance against Jedi Knight Malak or Dooku?

Despite Malak being the second greatest Jedi of his era, he was a far more powerful Sith Lord.

If we're going by hype and implications, Act 1 HoT being better than Kaeden (beat the Dread Masters), Jarro (stomped 100 Mando's in one battle), Corin Tok (deemed indestructible), Tol Braga (dueled a DC member for several days), Satele (Shan) and the Barsen'thor (pwned a Vivicar empowered by hundreds of Jedi Masters) then I'd suggest the Hero is better than Dooku.