The Emperor's Wrath vs Dooku

Originally posted by Nephthys
No it isn't, Ant. I already proved I'd actually undersold its size. And Stark, 'Thor is better than Dooku in TK so I have no clue what you're on about.

How do you figure? Savage can barely lift those pillars and yet easily TKs a large shuttle. And yet Dooku lifts them all with ease. Powerscaling puts Dooku at around or above the Barsen'thor imo.

Untrained force sensitives are hardly more resistant than normal people. IIRC they weren't even in armor, like the Sith Ekkage fried.

Lol Nightbrothers aren't untrained. I'll give you the armor point. But I'd still rate Baras' lightning at Dooku's level. But again the Wrath was huffing and puffing reflecting it. Its not like he no-diffed Baras.

Dooku didn't tutaminis back his lightning when Yoda deflected it, he bounced it to the side.

Fair enough. He can still just bounce it back.

The exploding barrel is game mechanics.

@Nephthys:

Neither do I, lol. 😛

Obviously. 👆

Hm, not really. Do you have a quote, or is this just an observation from TOTJ and DOE?

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Fair enough. He can still just bounce it back.

Originally posted by ares834
The exploding barrel is game mechanics.

The quest-text specifically highlight it and say you have to ignite it with your lightsaber.

Originally posted by Nephthys
The quest-text specifically highlight it and say you have to ignite it with your lightsaber.

Does it?

Not sure how relevant this is to the debate but Dooku's been able to move a bunch of ships during JQ: FSD. So meh. Anyway rolling with Dooku, good fight though.

Originally posted by ares834
Does it?

Yeah, the quest text updates telling you to ignite the barrels to blow open the door. I can find it if you really want.

Nah, that's fine.

Dooku in a decent fight

Can someone post a full video of the door feat?

Also, Krell proved that he is more than capable of defeating 1000 soldiers. That's not an argument I would use against someone like Dooku, who has consistently fodderized force users that solo armies all the time.

Dooku's best TK feats consists of casually dominating other powerful telekinetics, such as Ventress, Vos, and Kenobi. His best lightning feats include rendering Bulq unconscious with a single one-handed short blast, frying force sensitive zabraks, nearly overwhelming the saber defenses of both Kenobi and Kiplee at the same time, using a one-handed attack. Saber feats--stomping opponents who have better saber feats than the wrath.

Which door feat, lol.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
How do you figure? Savage can barely lift those pillars and yet easily TKs a large shuttle. And yet Dooku lifts them all with ease. Powerscaling puts Dooku at around or above the Barsen'thor imo.

Lol Nightbrothers aren't untrained. I'll give you the armor point. But I'd still rate Baras' lightning at Dooku's level. But again the Wrath was huffing and puffing reflecting it. Its not like he no-diffed Baras.

Fair enough. He can still just bounce it back.

Her feats are better than Dooku's and much better than Savage's and most were done at varying degree's of inexperience and debilitation. I put smashing through that blast door, smashing through an impenetrable vault door, tanking the explosion and hucking that massive chunk of metal way above moving a shuttle. And better than lifting those obelisks.

Untrained in using the Force or any kind of sorcery. They have no means to resist the attack. And the Wrath was huffing and puffing after fighting Baras for some time, not just from one blast of lightning.

He can try, perhaps. The Wrath would just bounce it back again most likely.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
nearly overwhelming the saber defenses of both Kenobi and Kiplee at the same time, using a one-handed attack.

Kenobi alone blocked his lightning though.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Hm, not really. Do you have a quote, or is this just an observation from TOTJ and DOE?

Well what is a barrier if not TK? Its an invisible wall of force, what else could it be?

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Not sure how relevant this is to the debate but Dooku's been able to move a bunch of ships during JQ: FSD. So meh. Anyway rolling with Dooku, good fight though.

Got a quote for that feat?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Which door feat, lol.

The one that suddenly elevates The Wrath to Dooku's level.

EDIT: Kenobi did block Dooku's lightning years prior, which would indicate that Dooku wasn't putting as much power in his attack on Geonosis, or Dooku's lightning may have upped in power.

YouTube video

9.20.

Aside from lifting about 20 huge obelisks simultaneously, pulling down ship-size balconies, demolishing large portions of caves, defeating groups of force sensitive Zabrak warriors with lightning, etc, the best way to determine how powerful Dooku truly is, is by examining the feats of powerful force users whom were absolutely no match for Dooku. So,

Kenobi:
http://www.comicvine.com/profile/shootingnova/blog/obi-wan-kenobi-respect-thread/96476/

^ Stomped by Dooku.

Vos:
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/quinlan-vos-respect-thread-1566791/

^ Stomped by Dooku.

Bulq:
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/sora-bulq-respect-thread-1653903/

^ Him and Tholme both Stomped simultaneously by Dooku.

Ventress:
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/asaji-ventress-respect-thread-1604363/

Stomped by Dooku.

Tholme:
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/tholme-respect-thread-1657587/

^ Him and Bulq combined, stomped by Dooku.

It should also be worth noting that not only has Dooku dominated these individuals with the force, but has also handed them their asses in saber matches, indicating Dooku's greatness as an all around combatant. He's even dominated some of these individuals at the same time. Even Ventress, with the help of two formidable nightsister warriors, was bested by a heavily drugged and blinded Dooku in a saber battle, and then force dominated by him with a lightning attack that sent her and her companions flying out of Dooku's palace.

Not to mention Dooku easily dominated Savage, who was, at the time, powerful enough to force push a starship a pretty long distance and over a landing platform (if you pay attention, the ship was landed pretty far from the edge of the landing platform).

I'm aware that The Wrath has also defeated powerful opponents, but of Ventress and Kenobi level? I don't think so. Definitely not with the same ease as Dooku has.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
I'm aware that The Wrath has also defeated powerful opponents, but of Ventress and Kenobi level? I don't think so.

Lol.

Sel Makor >>>> Ventress and Kenobi.

Sel Makor has no dueling feats, and beating him obviously wont help him in a Lightsabers duel LOL.

Not sure what's so hard for the TORbots to accept Dooku is the better duelist

Originally posted by Nephthys
Lol.

Sel Makor >>>> Ventress and Kenobi.

Not at that state. We've been through this before.

That fight doesn't give me anything on The Wraths skills or power as a warrior, as it's an unquantifiable feat. Unless you can tell me how he'd beat Ventress based on that confrontation alone. Lightning? TK? Saber ability? If you're going to make such a conclusion then you might as well say he's more powerful than Vitiate and Makor, which would only hurt the latter two.

The door feat was impressive, though. It was a very thin door evidently. The jedi who helped, what are his TK feats outside of that scenario?