Originally posted by Insane Titanstop trolling. Either debate or don't reply.
you never use actual evidence as proof or reasoning for your argument. Everything you say is based on power sets
Originally posted by h1a8
so a higher hit ratio doesn't add to someone winning the fight? So her lassoing him after a stun doesn't help her win?
I've always thought Wonder Woman would win this fight due to theoretically being everything Black Adam is or more (minus durability) plus fight winning weapons and crazy skill for a high herald. She has the lip-service, the status and all [as Kurt Busiek pointed out a while ago on cbr, she is sometimes described as stronger than hercules, so at the bare least she is as strong as Captain Marvel]. In fact, I've been one of the main proponents for her being above the Marvels (Billy/Teth), but, to be honest, the more I look at Adam's showings post-Crisis, the more I lean towards him.
He is almost ALL high showings [I can think of only two somewhat low-showings off the top of my head]. His respect thread is basically his whole career. Dude rarely misses the mark when it comes to big fights - be they against teams [JSA, who must've developed phobia after the times he's wrecked them] or trans-high herald characters like Amazo, or individual fights against suppposed peers - Green Lanterns, J'onn, PowerGirl etc.
I've made the arguments for Wonder Woman time and time again, and I can't disagree with them even now, but as I read the comics the same thing pops into my head...
...what Black Adam did consistently in roughly 90% of his comics would have been a high showings for Wonder Woman.
i think you make fair points, no doubt. my issue isn't with anyone who thinks adam can win, it's with this ridiculous idea that adam is somehow so far above her. i even said long ago that i would give a slight edge to adam. each fight would be brutal though. but for anyone who legit thinks this is a stomp?? lol that's simply an ignorant stance. i honestly can't believe these 2 have never had a full on battle before.
i'd also love to see some of adam's 1 on 1 fights, even if they are only against billy and he's lost them.....
Originally posted by Branlor SwiftOf course he can when he had actually written that humans would feel the kryptonite when it would pass saturn.
Which is completely unsupported. He's trying to add things to his comic that were never there. He's not George Lucas, his word doesn't retroactively add completely new facts in there.
Luthor explained that once the meteor would come near saturn and its radiation would be felt on earth as explained here.
Well just look at where the asteroid is at the time.
Passing saturn. In the issue where Superman fought Cap, it was passing Jupiter.
So no, its not just retroactively adding stuff.
Which I already talked about. He felt it was coming. He was not actually shown to be weakened.Superman feeling kryptonite but not being weakened?
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The kryptonite piercing the atmosphere is blatantly stated to have happened in issue 6.It was simply a guesswork from Batman. The guy who was actually aware of it before anybody else stated that it started affecting humans when it passed saturn. But that's just retroactively adding stuff, right?
And that's when he was shown to be weakening. If there was a panel of him being weakened before then, then you'd have posted it. Do you have that panel of him being weakened?Yes, the same where Katana says he's flying slower than before and Superman flew slower than ****ing Power Girl.
Also, in a direct relation to the asteroid, we have Superman outright stating he's never been exposed to this much for so long. The asteroid was not only bigger, but had he been feeling the effects since Neptune in a way that would weakened him, he would have been exposed for like 2 weeks by my estimate.You know, from a different writer? And even if the asteroid was bigger, it was ****ing millions of miles out there in space instead of Superman standing right over it.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman%20Batman%20048-02.jpg
3 times by what was shown. And had he really not been holding back you'd figure some amped punches would factor into the equation.Why would that be? Lightning amped punches didn't happen much outside of Johns' writing. But I like how you totally ignore it.
lol at Nightshade draining him or "being tired" still lingering over though. You're just trying to add anything up to make Superman look better.Eh, what?
http://i.imgur.com/2u9VxYK.jpg
That happened in the very same night when Superman fought Cap. You know when Superman doesn't gets to recharge?
Because we assume Superman didn't let up.Do we?
I don't get how this is a hard concept. Cap cheapshotted Superman and stopped to chat when he could have laid hell on him for like a long period of time.It was for one ****ing panel.
Do you not understand the difference here?That Cap failed despite having every advantage?
😂Before that he was mad as hell. So, no he wasn't holding back there.
He got talked into arm wrestling him.
How are you going to list 5 fights, and name 6?Because I don't actually consider AOS 494 a fight.
102... you mean when Superman saw Billy as Cyborg and Billy saw Superman as Adam? Does that confrontation sound like "holding back" to you? Both were pissed off.Yes? Superman wanted to capture Henshaw, Billy wanted to kill Adam. Does that sound the same motive to you? Also Dan Jurgens said Superman was stronger than Cap there, so suck it bran.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105634/4023512-superman+%23102+-+vs+superman+1.png
lol at Eclipso holding Superman back. But yes, Billy lost that one fight.Not in Action Comics annual 4. But in Superman 216, absolutely. What's funny is that Superman beat Valor who was explicitly more powerful than Cap at that time while suffocating.
And lol at AOS. You're talking about visions of possibilities that Superman's life could have taken when he killed pretty much all the Earth heroes?I already said I don't consider it a fight. I just counted it due to it being one "fight" between Cap and Superman on panel.
Why not just use Injustice as proof if you're using visions of possibilities as proof?
But you still fail to see the point because of Superman blinders.And I just corrected you that Superman was weakened in that fight.
You can't even try to have a conversation with you that involves Superman anymore. I'm not speaking about who won or who lost, or who did good here... or at least I wasn't until you had to save Superman from me saying a holding back Superman got his nose busted.
I'm just saying that largely Superman hasn't held back against either, which is Zop's point.Oh, I agree upon that.
I don't even know what you're trying to do here besides the obvious. I'm sure Superman "being better than" Billy helps his case in this thread.Well, obviously.
I guess "at the expense of Superman" only works if it's coming from you though, not that I was trying to do anything in Supe's expense, merely explanations, but
Eh, I don't see the problem here. I just corrected you that Superman was weakened there. But you flew off the handle as always.
Originally posted by Philosophía
I've always thought Wonder Woman would win this fight due to theoretically being everything Black Adam is or more (minus durability) plus fight winning weapons and crazy skill for a high herald. She has the lip-service, the status and all [as Kurt Busiek pointed out a while ago on cbr, she is sometimes described as stronger than hercules, so at the bare least she is as strong as Captain Marvel]. In fact, I've been one of the main proponents for her being above the Marvels (Billy/Teth), but, to be honest, the more I look at Adam's showings post-Crisis, the more I lean towards him.He is almost ALL high showings [I can think of only two somewhat low-showings off the top of my head]. His respect thread is basically his whole career. Dude rarely misses the mark when it comes to big fights - be they against teams [JSA, who must've developed phobia after the times he's wrecked them] or trans-high herald characters like Amazo, or individual fights against suppposed peers - Green Lanterns, J'onn, PowerGirl etc.
I've made the arguments for Wonder Woman time and time again, and I can't disagree with them even now, but as I read the comics the same thing pops into my head...
...what Black Adam did consistently in roughly 90% of his comics would have been a high showings for Wonder Woman.
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Lensherr shows up out of nowhere with this reasonable post.
Shit, he's not even angry. First time I've seen that 👆
Originally posted by Philosophía
I've always thought Wonder Woman would win this fight due to theoretically being everything Black Adam is or more (minus durability) plus fight winning weapons and crazy skill for a high herald. She has the lip-service, the status and all [as Kurt Busiek pointed out a while ago on cbr, she is sometimes described as stronger than hercules, so at the bare least she is as strong as Captain Marvel]. In fact, I've been one of the main proponents for her being above the Marvels (Billy/Teth), but, to be honest, the more I look at Adam's showings post-Crisis, the more I lean towards him.He is almost ALL high showings [I can think of only two somewhat low-showings off the top of my head]. His respect thread is basically his whole career. Dude rarely misses the mark when it comes to big fights - be they against teams [JSA, who must've developed phobia after the times he's wrecked them] or trans-high herald characters like Amazo, or individual fights against suppposed peers - Green Lanterns, J'onn, PowerGirl etc.
I've made the arguments for Wonder Woman time and time again, and I can't disagree with them even now, but as I read the comics the same thing pops into my head...
...what Black Adam did consistently in roughly 90% of his comics would have been a high showings for Wonder Woman.
But since it's from you I disagree whole-heartedly.
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so, just cuz i'm bored and because i have a few scans, figured i'd post some more stuff. this in lieu of the ww respect thread, which maybe i'll just copy and paste to. we shall see. anyway, onward:
battle vs zeus's champion briareos, whom even gods like ares and hades feared. some great strength and durability feats--forget that she was blind....
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/bri1.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/bri2.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/bri3.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/bri4.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/bri5.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/bri6.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/bri7.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/bri8.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/bri9.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/bri10.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/bri11.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/bri12.jpg.html
another 1 on 1 battle against circe:
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/circe0.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/circe1.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/circe2.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/circe3.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/circe4.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/circe5.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/circe6.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/circe7.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/circe8.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/circe9.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/circe10.jpg.html
here's a classic battle against the original medusa. shows skill, and crazy damage soak not to mention pure will power/willingness to do whatever is needed to win (THIS is why she was blinded for a while btw):
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/medusa1.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/medusa2.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/medusa3.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/medusa4.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/medusa5.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/medusa6.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/medusa7.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/medusa8.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/medusa9.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/medusa10.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/medusa11.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/medusa12.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/medusa13.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/medusa14.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/medusa15.jpg.html
a cool feat as her and dome stop a TSUNAMI:
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/vs%20tsunami1.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/vs%20tsunami2.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/vs%20tsunami3.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/vs%20tsunami4.jpg.html
another classic battle vs ares. great damage soak.durability shown, as well as the power her lasso has, even over a god as powerful as ares was in that arc...:
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/ares1.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/ares2.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/ares3.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/ares4.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/ares5.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/ares6.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/ares7.jpg.html
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/ares8.jpg.html
and a bonus where she shows great strength and durability plowing through ares' power and bfr'ing them both from the earthly plane:
http://s1151.photobucket.com/user/sclements1/media/ares9.jpg.html
enough again for the moment. maybe i'll throw some more stuff up later, but again, i'd put those battles and accomplishments up against anything i've seen so far from adam or billy. she is a monster who deserves more respect than she sometimes gets.
