Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Your whole basis for this is Superman beating up an alt Captain Marvel.
Tell me more of how powerful Human Torch is though.
Originally posted by zopzopThe one time Superman fought either while holding back he got his nose busted up and resorted to bfring Cap. Though funny you bring up holding back as if Billy doesn't do that constantly.Every time they've fought or tussled in mainstream DC Superman more than held his own vs Captain Marvel or Black Adam despite holding back and despite his supposed "magic weakness".
Off topic and no one is claiming Torch is anything more than a mid meta/high meta. [/B]
But like Carver said it's weird what characters you choose to shit on or defend. You champion Human Torch while shitting on Captain Marvel because Superman beat an alt in Captain Thunder.
But no one is claiming either are beyond Superman. They're just using a lot of canon to put them on his tier.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
The one time Superman fought either while holding back he got his nose busted up and resorted to bfring Cap. Though funny you bring up holding back as if Billy doesn't do that constantly.
And them being made of magic is not the same as using magic fists or lightning which really only got used against Eclipso Superman.But like Carver said it's weird what characters you choose to shit on or defend. You champion Human Torch while shitting on Captain Marvel because Superman beat an alt in Captain Thunder.
But no one is claiming either are beyond Superman. They're just using a lot of canon to put them on his tier.
Originally posted by leonidas
nope, not looking to have a second go round with abhi on this topic ima afraid. i still like the guy, but i know clearly where he stands and i'll not be repeating any of that previous nonsense again. once was plenty. i may throw up some more scans later on, just because i dug some up, but other than that, i'm fine letting this thread die. 👆
Originally posted by abhilegendBut anyway, the Kryptonite meatball wasn't shown to actively pierce the atmosphere until like two issues later.
Eh, superman was weakened by kryptonite and Cap was explicitly ordered not to hold back. But if with a cheap shot and three punches to the face, all he can do is make Superman bleed a little.........
At best you can argue that he felt it's presence.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman%20Batman%2004-20.jpg
Especially in that arc where he got the shit kicked out of him by Metallo after exposure, and Captain Atom KO'ed him from mere exposure to the kryptonite ring. Not really a factor.
Neither is holding back as there's a difference between being told not to, and actually doing it. After he cheapshotted Superman he stood over him to monologue. You can tell by the words that they're going all out.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman%20Batman%2004-21.jpg.html
And it was two punches after the initial bull rush cheapshot. Really one if you look at the placement.
Does this really matter? No. Just saying, this is the one time they fought that Superman was holding back as opposed to what Zop says.
But me saying Superman was holding back was not enough.
Originally posted by -Pr-True. But that really doesn't change much in the way of what happened in the initial showdown. I'm just saying that it's not like Billy fought some really weakened Superman in a short skirmish, nor am I saying it means much. just presenting the facts of it.
It was implied that Superman took a dive in that fight, iirc.
Though I have my doubts that Superman/Batman pretended to be KO'ed by the weight of a planet and a Shazam bolt respectively, but that's... I don't know. Maybe they did.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
True. But that really doesn't change much in the way of what happened in the initial showdown. I'm just saying that it's not like Billy fought some really weakened Superman in a short skirmish, nor am I saying it means much. just presenting the facts of it.
I was just answering Zop's lies.Though I have my doubts that Superman/Batman pretended to be KO'ed by the weight of a planet and a Shazam bolt respectively, but that's... I don't know. Maybe they did.
Oh, I don't disagree about Superman not being that weakened. I just think most of that scenario is muddled enough that it shouldn't really be used as a great example of how they shape up to each other. Too many angles to approach it from.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
But anyway, the Kryptonite meatball wasn't shown to actively pierce the atmosphere until like two issues later.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman%20Batman%2006-04.jpgAt best you can argue that he felt it's presence.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman%20Batman%2004-20.jpgEspecially in that arc where he got the shit kicked out of him by Metallo after exposure, and Captain Atom KO'ed him from mere exposure to the kryptonite ring. Not really a factor.
Neither is holding back as there's a difference between being told not to, and actually doing it. After he cheapshotted Superman he stood over him to monologue. You can tell by the words that they're going all out.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/Superman%20Batman%2004-21.jpg.htmlAnd it was two punches after the initial bull rush cheapshot. Really one if you look at the placement.
Does this really matter? No. Just saying, this is the one time they fought that Superman was holding back as opposed to what Zop says.
But me saying Superman was holding back was not enough.
http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news/2005-news/2005-news-comic.php?topic=2005-news-comic/0404
And kryptonite is always a factor.
Terrific specifically said they will not hold back. Cap didn't deny it.
Funny thing is, Superman specifically said they were faking it and then koed Cap with a cheap shot. You know which Cap failed to do.
Originally posted by -Pr-I'm not saying it is. All I'm saying is that this:
Oh, I don't disagree about Superman not being that weakened. I just think most of that scenario is muddled enough that it shouldn't really be used as a great example of how they shape up to each other. Too many angles to approach it from.
Originally posted by zopzopEvery time they've fought or tussled in mainstream DC Superman more than held his own vs Captain Marvel or Black Adam despite holding back and despite his supposed "magic weakness".
Is a lie. And I specifically brought that example up because it's the only one I can recall where Superman was holding back against them.
Now it's something because Abhi mistook my bringing it up as a slight against Superman
Originally posted by abhilegendWhich isn't supported in any of the comics. There was zero indication Superman even knew of the asteroid then.
Heh, I knew you would tell that. Why don't we take the writer's word for it?http://www.supermanhomepage.com/news/2005-news/2005-news-comic.php?topic=2005-news-comic/0404
And kryptonite is always a factor.
Terrific specifically said they will not hold back. Cap didn't deny it.
Funny thing is, Superman specifically said they were faking it and then koed Cap with a cheap shot. You know which Cap failed to do.
And then Cap stood over him and talked about how much he didn't want to fight.
I don't get how you think "blindsided" = ko'ing Cap with one shot. A more accurate comparison is if Cap kept hitting him after he cheapshotted Superman without let up. Which is what that implies.
Good job bringing up other examples though. You sure accurately judged the situation when you jumped to Superman's rescue.
