Originally posted by Silent MasterNo fighter pilot has ever maneuvered as well as Superman did while fighting at those speeds, nor have they ever actually reacted to the supersonic bullets or missiles fired by another plane from close range. If another plane was a couple of meters away and about to collide with their plane, they would have no way to react.
If they are both flying at x speed, then their relative speed to each other is 0mph thus it wouldn't take superspeed reflexes to react to punches being thrown. just like it doesn't take superspeed reactions for fighter pilots to react during dogfights or high-speed flight maneuverers.
Superman would. All the Kryptonians showed that they can react to each other's flight speed. Like when Nam-ek grabbed Superman while he was in flight, for example.
If Superman couldn't react to his own speed then he would be unable to so much as perceive the world around him while in flight. He wouldn't be able to weave through buildings without destroying them, like he has shown to be capable of.
Originally posted by NibedicusIf Zod is moving at mach 5,000, for example, and is rushing Superman from five meters away, if Superman is able to throw his fist forward to stop him (I'm not sure what the actual distance of that motion would be but let's say a meter), then Superman's fist was flying at mach 1,000.
You know what, define what you mean by "on par" with regards to speed vs combat speed perception as I'm starting to feel that a lot of the argument here has a lot more to do with semantics than it does logic.
Originally posted by NemeBro
1) No fighter pilot has ever maneuvered as well as Superman did while fighting at those speeds, nor have they ever actually reacted to the supersonic bullets or missiles fired by another plane from close range. If another plane was a couple of meters away and about to collide with their plane, they would have no way to react.2) Superman would. All the Kryptonians showed that they can react to each other's flight speed. Like when Nam-ek grabbed Superman while he was in flight, for example.
3) If Superman couldn't react to his own speed then he would be unable to so much as perceive the world around him while in flight. He wouldn't be able to weave through buildings without destroying them, like he has shown to be capable of.
1) Better reaction time to pilots =/= supersonic reaction speed.
The fun part is that Kal actually got hit by bullets while trying to avoid them. Bullets that move at maybe Mach 4 tops IIRC. A-10 strafe scene. Not really a good indicator of supersonic reaction time is it?
2) Superman was visible in flight while covering short distances. We could actually clock approximate distance vs time in his movement and see if those were supersonic. And if you mean the short range bullrush he attempted on Faora that Nam intercepted, then it was not supersonic (as it took half a second to not even cover 10-15 feet) and Namek most probably zeroed in and intercepted him from his prone position just to catch it from mid flight. If you mean the high jump he did to catch Kal from mid flight, again, time vs distance is NOT supersonic at all. That was so slow I would put it on par with a Hulk leap from Avengers.
3) he made hairpin turns the same way high speed racers do high speed turns (tho they are limited by their G tolerance and the maneuverbility of their vehicles) and while he could do it better than racecar drivers, this is no indicator that his reaction time is supersonic. Hell, he wasn't even travelling at supersonic speeds when he was flying around the city if you do a distance vs time computaions (too lazy to do it atm). I'm willing to bet that wasn't supersonic at all. Or at least not at the level ppl are making it.
Unless of course you accept that normal humans percieve and react within the hundred+ mph speed range.
Edit. Lost a few sentences while cut/pasting. Fixed.
Originally posted by NemeBro
If Zod is moving at mach 5,000, for example, and is rushing Superman from five meters away, if Superman is able to throw his fist forward to stop him (I'm not sure what the actual distance of that motion would be but let's say a meter), then Superman's fist was flying at mach 1,000.
First prove that Zod was moving at mach 5000 as the punch was being thrown. A basic distance v time computation will do.
You know, the whole point of me making this thread was to not argue the MoS speed "feats" for admissibility. That is why I made the criteria so strict as to avoid having to argue all this silliness.
But thanks to one poster and his fake fallacy, this is the thread now. The hand we are dealt. Might as well embrace it.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
You mean except for the fact that he got hit, right? Cuz I'm sure that's what you must mean.Or are you simply saying that he performed the act of dodging (only to fail)?
Isn't it interesting how those bullets are moving faster than Superman? they must be moving at mach 5,001.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
You mean except for the fact that he got hit, right? Cuz I'm sure that's what you must mean.Or are you simply saying that he performed the act of dodging (only to fail)?
Is there a reason to be nasty about it?
It looks like he might have gotten glazed by one if you look real hard, but its hard to tell either way.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Is there a reason to be nasty about it?It looks like he might have gotten glazed by one if you look real hard, but its hard to tell either way.
Sorry, didn't mean to be nasty. Was just playing around. Peace, bro!
Edit. And I admit it is hard to tell in the video clip. But if you look hard enough, it becomes clear he got scored a direct hit. And I think you mean "grazed". Not trying to be pedantic!! Pls don't kill me.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
That must be why ppl are so afraid of A-10's! Mach 5001 bullets FTW!
BTW, don't you also find it interesting that a movie that went to great lengths to showcase the damage a fight between superpowered people would cause seemingly ignored the damage that moving around a city at 3.8 million mph would cause?
Originally posted by Silent Master
BTW, don't you also find it interesting that a movie that went to great lengths to showcase the damage a fight between superpowered people would cause seemingly ignored the damage that moving around a city at 3.8 million mph would cause?
And while they were burning up in re-entry, they seem to be suffering no heat from air friction while travelling at Mach 5000 leaving the earth's atmosphere...
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Sorry, didn't mean to be nasty. Was just playing around. Peace, bro!Edit. And I admit it is hard to tell in the video clip. But if you look hard enough, it becomes clear he got scored a direct hit. And I think you mean "grazed". Not trying to be pedantic!! Pls don't kill me.
No worries, anyways back to the matrix comparison, even those agents got hit with that minigun Neo used from the chopper. Kinda hard to dodge all those bullets from guns like those. Him getting grazed by one vs being pummeled is big difference.