Thor (Age of Ultron) VS Superman (Man of Steel)

Originally posted by Newjak
You're so out this TI it is just silly.

Listen Loki does not summon them out thin air. First off in Thor the Dark World Thor does hand Loki the dagger he uses in the battle with the elves on the dark world. Loki even says it's about time you come to your senses when he is given the weapon.

In the first Thor in the fight with the Frost Giants we saw him reach into his armor and pull daggers out and then throw them at a giant.

You're just wrong on this whole out of thin air nonsense. Your reasoning is flawed. Oh he never ran out daggers therefore he must have the ability to magically summon them? Really that's how you came to the conclusion. It never came to your mind that Loki might just carry multiple of them on his person? Considering he only ever uses max 7 or 8 in any one fight even if we did not see him literally grab them while reaching into his coat that odds are he can just carry a few extra. Seriously trying to be nice here but instead of just defending something that is factually wrong just admit it and move on.

Show proof Loki was carrying the daggers or just give up on the idea. Also show him reaching into his armor.

And his daggers are not the only weapon he made appear and disappear, he did it with the Casket against Heimdall.

Originally posted by Newjak
If you consider Loki's daggers magical than so are other Asgard in weapons because Loki's daggers have not done anything normal Asgard in weapons haven't.

Doesn't work that way. On screen facts prove he has magical daggers.

Originally posted by Impediment
I was asked to make a ruling about using deleted scenes as canon.

In my opinion, any deleted scenes from any film were removed because of certain reasons. If a re-cut of the film is ever released and those scenes are reincorporated, then we can count them as canonical. Until then, let's stick to actual movie feats that were released as is.

Can I ask you to make a ruling about no limits fallacy?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Show proof Loki was carrying the daggers or just give up on the idea. Also show him reaching into his armor.

And his daggers are not the only weapon he made appear and disappear, he did it with the Casket against Heimdall.

Now you want me to go look through Thor one scenes to show you when he reached in andvgrabbed his dagger because you are dense and won't admit that you're wrong?

Also the casket is not Loki's daggers it is its own artifacts. Even than Loki couldn't summon the casket as before he had it he had to literally walk into the weapons vault to touch it. Once again Loki can not summon things out of thin air.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Doesn't work that way. On screen facts prove he has magical daggers.

Originally posted by Newjak
You're kidding me with this. Most people would realize that when Loki had to ask Thor in the dark world to give him his daggers that he can't summon them out of thin air. Never mind that the only time Loki used a dagger in the dark world is when Thor literally handed it to him.

Now you want me to go look through Thor one scenes to show you when he reached in andvgrabbed his dagger because you are dense and won't admit that you're wrong?

Also the casket is not Loki's daggers it is its own artifacts. Even than Loki couldn't summon the casket as before he had it he had to literally walk into the weapons vault to touch it. Once again Loki can not summon things out of thin air.

Screen facts prove otherwise.

Also when Loki asked Thor for his dagger, his hands were in cuffs..😂

Yes go look at the facts and come back to me when you have some solid answers.

So if he did summon the Casket out of thin are as you said, you go on to say "once again Loki cannot summon things out of thin air."

Your argument contradicts itself.

Originally posted by Newjak
what on screen facts prove they are more magical than anyother Asgardian weapon?

The fact they pierced Thor's armor.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
The fact they pierced Thor's armor.

No, that does not prove they were magical. They very may well be (thus why I said it was debatable) but them simply piercing Thor does not prove they were magical, or at least not any more so than regular Asgardian weapons.

Lol, funny people been saying Loki's dagger are magical on here for years. Now the story changes, I don't even know how we got off on this random off topic debate. Oh wait I forgot, I beat you in the other one and you had to resort to deleted scenes to prove a point, then I countered that one, and now your saying he doesn't have magical daggers. Its funny, but I shouldn't say I'm suprised. And I bet you anything Froth if I go back and look at debates, I will find you debating saying they are.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Nope and wrong.

http://marvel-movies.wikia.com/wiki/Loki_Laufeyson

"Once in Jotunheim, Thor leads himself and his friends into conflict and attacks the Jotuns even after being granted safe passage home. During the ensuing fight, Loki uses his abilities to save his brother and friends in several instances, including creating false versions of himself and hurling [b]magic daggers at the Jotuns. " [/B]

Anyways, concession openly accepted.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Lol, funny people been saying Loki's dagger are magical on here for years. Now the story changes, I don't even know how we got off on this random off topic debate. Oh wait I forgot, I beat you in the other one and you had to resort to deleted scenes to prove a point, then I countered that one, and now your saying he doesn't have magical daggers. Its funny, but I shouldn't say I'm suprised. And I bet you anything Froth if I go back and look at debates, I will find you debating saying they are.

You never beat me in anything TI. I have answered all your questions with decent arguments. Some of them you have yet to reply to. You keep trying to bring up that deleted scene as if I used it as proof, heck even went to IMP for it. But if you look back to my original post on that video, I never used it as proof of anything.

Then you had to get into the weapons debate. You dug yourself this hole.

If you ask me, yes I do consider Loki's daggers magical. Magical in a sense that he can whip them out of nowhere (though now I'm second guessing myself because of what Newjak said about Loki asking Thor for his daggers). However, I don't believe them being magical is what allowed them to pierce Thor. Thor is not a super asgardian. It wouldn't make sense that regular asgardian weapons don't hurt Thor.

If you believe so then you'll have to prove it. And to be quite frank, you have yet to prove any of your assertions in this entire debate. So I won't be surprised if you fail to prove this again.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You never beat me in anything TI. I have answered all your questions with decent arguments. Some of them you have yet to reply to. You keep trying to bring up that deleted scene as if I used it as proof, heck even went to IMP for it. But if you look back to my original post on that video, I never used it as proof of anything.

Then you had to get into the weapons debate. You dug yourself this hole.

If you ask me, yes I do consider Loki's daggers magical. Magical in a sense that he can whip them out of nowhere (though now I'm second guessing myself because of what Newjak said about Loki asking Thor for his daggers). However, I don't believe them being magical is what allowed them to pierce Thor. Thor is not a super asgardian. It wouldn't make sense that regular asgardian weapons don't hurt Thor.

If you believe so then you'll have to prove it. And to be quite frank, you have yet to prove any of your assertions in this entire debate. So I won't be surprised if you fail to prove this again.

Lol, I beat you in the whole debate. You tried to break rules and lost that one too. I knew it was going to get stupid but I was willing to try.

Originally posted by FrothByte
However, I don't believe them being magical is what allowed them to pierce Thor. Thor is not a super asgardian. It wouldn't make sense that regular asgardian weapons don't hurt Thor.

Lol, what?

Another contradicting statement?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Screen facts prove otherwise.

Also when Loki asked Thor for his dagger, his hands were in cuffs..😂

Yes go look at the facts and come back to me when you have some solid answers.

So if he did summon the Casket out of thin are as you said, you go on to say "once again Loki cannot summon things out of thin air."

Your argument contradicts itself.

Also reading comprehension I said he can not summon things out of thin because he literally had to go into the weapons vault to touch casket ie he can not just summon things

Also just for fun TI. I couldn't find one without music but check out @4:16 you can clearly see Loki reach for his daggers and throw them at the Frost Giant that just stabbed Fandral.

YouTube video

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Lol, what?

Another contradicting statement?

C'mon man it wasn't that hard to understand that statement. Don't tell me it flew over your head.

Thor actually is a above a normal Asgardian..unless you think all of them can do what he does.

Originally posted by Newjak
Also just for fun TI. I couldn't find one without music but check out @4:16 you can clearly see Loki reach for his daggers and throw them at the Frost Giant that just stabbed Fandral.

YouTube video

You can't clearly see him doing anything 😆

Originally posted by Newjak
He asked for the dages before he was in cuffs. Even if it wasn't how would cuffs stop him from summoning daggers?

Also reading comprehension I said he can not summon things out of thin because he literally had to go into the weapons vault to touch casket ie he can not just summon things

Again you failed to grasp another scene. He went into the weapons vault to touch the Casket to see if he was going to turn into a Frost Giant..its like I have to explain things that are really easy to grasp here.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Thor actually is a above a normal Asgardian..unless you think all of them can do what he does.

Yes he is, the way a heavyweight champion boxer is above the average couch potato. He is not a SUPER asgardian though. He is not excessively more durable than other Asgardians (unless you can prove otherwise). So normal Asgardian weapons should still work on him.