Thor (Age of Ultron) VS Superman (Man of Steel)

I cant speak for everyone on their feelings on Thor's portrayal but I dont like the way Whedon treats Thor.
I dont want him to be like his comic counterpart , because that would look ridiculous on screen.
But for example: The Destroyer by all accounts is/should be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ultron. Thor disposes of the Destroyer in Thor 1 with no problem.
Then after Thor 1, he is greatly depowered in all his next appearances in the MCU.
I understand he has to be toned down so the other Avengers don't seem useless but they go a bit overboard with this.
Maybe he feels that if he goes all out he would cause too much destruction around him? I dunno , he did fight the destroyer in an empty desert, and those frost giants in their home world that Thor could give two shits about.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Actually it destroyed your whole friggen argument.

No it did not. It doesn't really counter my argument at all. I never said Kryptonian weaponry won't hurt Superman, just that it wasn't built to fight someone like him. Think about it. If that airship weapon was built for Superman then it should have killed him, same way a missile from an aircraft will kill any human being. This shot didn't even knock him out.

You, sir, have just proven my point more than I ever could have. Thank you.

Originally posted by FrothByte
No it did not. It doesn't really counter my argument at all. I never said Kryptonian weaponry won't hurt Superman, just that it wasn't built to fight someone like him. Think about it. If that airship weapon was built for Superman then it should have killed him, same way a missile from an aircraft will kill any human being.

You, sir, have just proven my point more than I ever could have. Thank you.

Originally posted by FrothByte
But they're weapons were never meant to fight off someone as powerful as Superman because quite simply, they've never seen anyone that powerful.

Actually it destroyed your whole friggen argument.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Kryptonians weren't superpowered in their homeworld, so their weapons were never meant to fight off superpowered beings. Asgardians on the other hand are as powerful on Earth as they are on Asgard, so their weapons were specifically made to battle superpowered beings whether it was against Frost giants, dark elves, kree or even other Asgardians.

So yeah, Asgardian weaponry should definitely be more powerful than Kryptonian weapons.

Superman ain't brushing off those spears and swords.

Originally posted by FrothByte
But they're weapons were never meant to fight off someone as powerful as Superman because quite simply, they've never seen anyone that powerful.

Actually it destroyed your whole friggen argument.

Originally posted by Inhuman
I cant speak for everyone on their feelings on Thor's portrayal but I dont like the way Whedon treats Thor.
I dont want him to be like his comic counterpart , because that would look ridiculous on screen.
But for example: The Destroyer by all accounts is/should be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ultron. Thor disposes of the Destroyer in Thor 1 with no problem.
Then after Thor 1, he is greatly depowered in all his next appearances in the MCU.
I understand he has to be toned down so the other Avengers don't seem useless but they go a bit overboard with this.
Maybe he feels that if he goes all out he would cause too much destruction around him? I dunno , he did fight the destroyer in an empty desert, and those frost giants in their home world that Thor could give two shits about.

I have to agree. If Thor fought in AOU like he fought those Frost giants in jotunheim he could have taken care of the entire drone force by himself. Hulk is slightly more consistent - he just wrecks everything in his way. It's Cap and IM that keep getting huge upgrades.

Oh and which mighty Asgardian weapons are we talking about here, the ones off a deleted scene by cannon fodder, the ones Thor broke in half off featless foes?

Please stop making yourself look even more silly.

Not only did you try and circumvent the MVF rules by debating off a deleted scene, you failed miserable trying to prove cannon fodder swords are > kryptonian laser/plasma weapons.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Actually it destroyed your whole friggen argument.

Uh.... ok? Guess you didn't read my reply. Here it is again:

No it did not. It doesn't really counter my argument at all. I never said Kryptonian weaponry won't hurt Superman, just that it wasn't built to fight someone like him. Think about it. If that airship weapon was built for Superman then it should have killed him, same way a missile from an aircraft will kill any human being. This shot didn't even knock him out.

I mean honestly, you fire your biggest gun from your airship at a guy and all it does is knock the wind out of him. Do you still think those weapons were made to fight off someone like Superman?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Uh.... ok? Guess you didn't read my reply. Here it is again:

I mean honestly, you fire your biggest gun from your airship at a guy and all it does is knock the wind out of him. Do you still think those weapons were made to fight off someone like Superman?

And some swords and wooden spears are gonna do that much better?

Get the fck outa here with that.

You had a good debate going till you pulled this one out your ass.

How were some swords and spears made to combat MOS then? 😂

I know you trolling hard at this point but please keep it up.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Oh and which mighty Asgardian weapons are we talking about here, the ones off a deleted scene by cannon fodder, the ones Thor broke in half off featless foes?

Please stop making yourself look even more silly.

Not only did you try and circumvent the MVF rules by debating off a deleted scene, you failed miserable trying to prove cannon fodder swords are > kryptonian laser/plasma weapons.

You're crying against me using a deleted scene because you know you can't win this argument.

I told you before, I don't mind not using the deleted scene if it bothers you too much. So drop it and just admit that Superman doesn't have the fighting skill that Thor does. That's what started all this anyway.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
And some swords and wooden spears are gonna do that much better?

Get the fck outa here with that.

You had a good debate going till you pulled this one out your ass.

How were some swords and spears made to combat MOS then? 😂

Ok hold on, you're confusing me here. Are you saying that you believe Asgardian swords and spears are of the same quality as human made sword and spears?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Ok hold on, you're confusing me here. Are you saying that you believe Asgardian swords and spears are of the same quality as human made sword and spears?

Um, is that what I said?

Originally posted by FrothByte

So yeah, Asgardian weaponry should definitely be more powerful than Kryptonian weapons.

Superman ain't brushing off those spears and swords.

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Supes ain't brushing this crap off....yea right..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ybnlsnbqgk&feature=youtu.be

Not unless you have proof that he can. Thor didn't seem to think he can brush it off, else why try to avoid them.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Not unless you have proof that he can. Thor didn't seem to think he can brush it off, else why try to avoid them.

Thor's skin is vastly less durable then Supes, that's not even debatable unless you want to ignore all the times he's been bloodied in all the movies.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Um, is that what I said?

Well you keep belittling Asgardian weapons. I have to wonder what basis you have to belittle them. Asgardians have lasers as well. Heck they have the technology to make a teleportation gateway (something that the Kryptonians didn't have the knowledge for). For the Asgardians to stick to using their melee weapons instead of giving out laser rifles to everyone there must be a reason yeah?

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Thor's skin is vastly less durable then Supes, that's not even debatable unless you want to ignore all the times he's been bloodied in all the movies.

Vastly less durable? Sure... that's why Superman has been knocked out before whereas Thor never has right?

I make no claims that Thor is more durable than Superman. But vastly less so? Hell no. He's close enough that Mjolnir strikes will hurt Superman as much as Supe's punches will hurt Thor.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Well you keep belittling Asgardian weapons. I have to wonder what basis you have to belittle them. Asgardians have lasers as well. Heck they have the technology to make a teleportation gateway (something that the Kryptonians didn't have the knowledge for). For the Asgardians to stick to using their melee weapons instead of giving out laser rifles to everyone there must be a reason yeah?

I'm belittling those cannon fodder weapons because of the conjecture that you are saying they are above kryptonian ship weapons...big difference.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Vastly less durable? Sure... that's why Superman has been knocked out before whereas Thor never has right?

I make no claims that Thor is more durable than Superman. But vastly less so? Hell no. He's close enough that Mjolnir strikes will hurt Superman as much as Supe's punches will hurt Thor.

What does someones skin durability have to do with being knocked out? When Kurse was beating on Thor, was he getting up?

I'm pretty sure Mal's ship falling on Thor would have killed him...the oil rig scene was proven by Rob a while ago he wasn't knocked out.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
I'm belittling those cannon fodder weapons because of the conjecture that you are saying they are above kryptonian ship weapons...big difference.

So basically what you're saying is that you don't think Asgardian melee weapons (that were specifically made to fight other superpowered beings) can hurt Superman because that bigass ship laser (which was never developed to fight superpowered beings) failed to hurt Superman?

Is it because you feel that something as simple as a sword can never be deadlier than a big, fancy laser?

Let me give you an example. IM has fairly powerful repulsor blast. Able to blast through concrete and steel. Full blast to Thor's face didn't even faze him. Yet a tiny dagger from Loki easily penetrated both Thor's armor and his thick hide.

Loki's Magical Dagger>Cannon fodder sword.

Key word "Magic"

Lets not keep doing this, cause I'm going to beat you on this, you had a better line of debate before you went off on a rant about a deleted scene.