Originally posted by FrothByte
Which kryptonian weapons have not hurt Superman? Clips?You're verging on a no limits fallacy here. Just because Superman tanked earth-made bullets he is somehow invulnerable to Asgardian weaponry as well?
World Engine sentry defense and the "special beam cannon", Kryptonian drop ship plasma cannon.
So those cannon fodder troops spears that Thor snapped like twigs are going to pierce MOS because they are made in Asgard?
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
World Engine sentry defense and the "special beam cannon", Kryptonian drop ship plasma cannon.So those cannon fodder troops spears that Thor snapped like twigs are going to pierce MOS because they are made in Asgard?
Kryptonians weren't superpowered in their homeworld, so their weapons were never meant to fight off superpowered beings. Asgardians on the other hand are as powerful on Earth as they are on Asgard, so their weapons were specifically made to battle superpowered beings whether it was against Frost giants, dark elves, kree or even other Asgardians.
So yeah, Asgardian weaponry should definitely be more powerful than Kryptonian weapons.
Superman ain't brushing off those spears and swords.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Kryptonians weren't superpowered in their homeworld, so their weapons were never meant to fight off superpowered beings. Asgardians on the other hand are as powerful on Earth as they are on Asgard, so their weapons were specifically made to battle superpowered beings whether it was against Frost giants, dark elves, kree or even other Asgardians.So yeah, Asgardian weaponry should definitely be more powerful than Kryptonian weapons.
Superman ain't brushing off those spears and swords.
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He is brushing off swords and spears and thats just the way it is.
Wow froth, I never thought I would see you grasping for straws in this debate to go back to this.
Are you kidding, they were blasting through blast doors, and incinerated one of the council members upon impact.
Did you even watch MOS beginning and watch the whole planet go under civil war?
Even on Krypton they were radical alien weapons, you saying they were nothing because they were on Krypton is like saying Predator weapons on their home world mean nothing.
I guess tanks here mean nothing to us since we make them.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆He is brushing off swords and spears and thats just the way it is.
Wow froth, I never thought I would see you grasping for straws in this debate to go back to this.
Are you kidding, they were blasting through blast doors, and incinerated one of the council members upon impact.
Did you even watch MOS beginning and watch the whole planet go under civil war?
Originally posted by Henry_Pym
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Originally posted by Time Immemorial
😆 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆He is brushing off swords and spears and thats just the way it is.
Wow froth, I never thought I would see you grasping for straws in this debate to go back to this.
Are you kidding, they were blasting through blast doors, and incinerated one of the council members upon impact.
Did you even watch MOS beginning and watch the whole planet go under civil war?
Even on Krypton they were radical alien weapons, you saying they were nothing because they were on Krypton is like saying Predator weapons on their home world mean nothing.
I guess tanks here mean nothing to us since we make them.
Easy now TI. Read what I said and understand it properly before you end up making a fool of yourself.
Superman ended up being far stronger than anything or anyone Krypton has encountered. Yes, they're a very advanced race with powerful weapons, I never questioned that. But they're weapons were never meant to fight off someone as powerful as Superman because quite simply, they've never seen anyone that powerful.
Asgardians are powerful. Thor wasn't the first powerful Asgardian. He's not even the most powerful Asgardian. Their weapons were made to specifically fight each other and other superpowered beings. An Asgardian farmer was easily able to to crumple a human-made tactical knife, it would make sense that Asgardian weapons would be a lot more durable to be able to be effective against them.
So you brushing off Asgardian weaponry and treating them like they were earth made weapons is just silly. We've all seen how tough Thor is, to think that Superman can just brush off weapon attacks that can be fatal to Thor is ridiculous.
If you want to claim that Superman is invulnerable to Asgardian weapons that's fine, but you need to back that up with proof.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
No you made the claim that cannon fodder swords and spears can hurt MOS, which those weapons were snapped like twigs by Thor, so the burden of proof is on you.
I never said that. I said there's no proof that Superman is invulnerable to Asgardian weapons. The burden of proof is on you because otherwise all you'll be doing is making a no limits fallacy.
Thor snapped a spear. Pretty sure Superman can do the same with the proper leverage. But can Superman walk away after getting a spear tip thrust at his face?
I know he doesn't have the fighting skills to avoid the spear tips and swords like Thor did. So without his superspeed he's going to get skewered and cut. If you think that he won't get hurt by those then you need to prove it.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I never said that. I said there's no proof that Superman is invulnerable to Asgardian weapons. The burden of proof is on you because otherwise all you'll be doing is making a no limits fallacy.
You went off on the deep end with a deleted scene where Thor owned some cannon fodder.
Lets face it.
You made claims you can't back up.
Should I get Imp to rule on the deleted scene, cause I'm not gonna go on and on with you wanking some cannon fodder swords and spears that have zero magical properties.
And I don't have to prove they can hurt MOS, you have to prove that Cannon fodder swords and spears that were broken like twigs are >MOS.
I knew you were gonna get stupid eventually in this debate, and here it came..till IMP makes a ruling I'm done.
MVF Rules are if it didn't happen on screen it don't count and you been going on about a scene that isn't even in the movie, and I have to prove something to you, which I don't.
Those were cannon fodder troops which would not even land a hit on MOS, they would be dead in a dump before they even knew better.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You went off on the deep end with a deleted scene were Thor owned some cannon fodder.Lets face it.
You made claims you can't back up.
Should I get Imp to rule on the deleted scene, cause I'm not gonna go on and on with you wanking some cannon fodder swords and shields that have zero magical properties. And I don't have to prove they can hurt MOS, you have to prove that Cannon fodder swords and spears that were broken like twigs are >MOS.
I knew you were gonna get stupid eventually in this debate, and here it came..till IMP makes a ruling I'm done.
So I assume you're giving up on trying to prove your point?
I don't mind not using the deleted scene. I only put that there to show you the big difference between what actual fighting skill looks like as compared to Superman's brawling. I could easily just use Thor's fight against the SHIELD agents to demonstrate my point. You dug yourself into a hole when you made the claim that Superman can just walk through all those weaponry.
But hey if you're bringing IMP in why don't you ask him to look at your no limits fallacy claim as well. That since Superman was not hurt by man-made or kryptonian weapons in MOS then you assume every other weapon in the entire universe will just bounce off him. And please direct me to the scene where a sword was broken like a twig.
Originally posted by FrothByte
So I assume you're giving up on trying to prove your point?
I don't mind not using the deleted scene. I only put that there to show you the big difference between Thor's fight skills and Superman's. I could easily just use Thor's fight against the SHIELD agents to demonstrate my point. You dug yourself into a hole when you made the claim that Superman can just walk through all those weaponry.But hey if you're bringing IMP in why don't you ask him to look at your no limits fallacy claim as well. That since Superman was not hurt by man-made or kryptonian weapons in MOS then he is also immune to Asgardian and every other weapon made evah.
You keep acting like this is the crux of your debate...
Supes was actually slowed down by the weapons, so that alone shows how powerful they are..
Did you not remember this?
Min 2:10
Originally posted by FrothByte
If Superman had his speed, sure. But I thought we were debating the fight with Superman not having his superspeed.
He still one shots them all, they pose literally no challenge, and you just ignored my showing of how powerful kryptonian weapons are, on earth, on a kryptonian with super powers.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You keep acting like this is the crux of your debate...Supes was actually slowed down by the weapons, so that alone shows how powerful they are..
Did you not remember this?
Min 2:10
Nice. I think that just helped my argument. Superman does get hurt by advanced weaponry. Are you saying you don't consider Asgardian weaponry advanced?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Nice. I think that just helped my argument. Superman does get hurt by advanced weaponry. Are you saying you don't consider Asgardian weaponry advanced?
Originally posted by FrothByte
But they're weapons were never meant to fight off someone as powerful as Superman because quite simply, they've never seen anyone that powerful.
Actually it destroyed your whole friggen argument.