To be quite honest, Starkiller should be considerably faster and stronger than Nyriss by merit of being a more powerful Force User.
He's also managed to contend with (and in one instance defeat) Darth Vader in saber combat, so there is no reason to believe her lightsaber abilities should prove an issue either.
I wouldn't say Starkiler is Vader tier duellist but he is evidently able to contend with one, Nyriss will find herself out of her depth.
Originally posted by Selenial
Kit Fisto overcame the boundaries of Form 1 lightsaber combat. His ridiculous speed was more than enough to make the disadvantages meaningless.
In addition, Form I is acknowledged as a balanced lightsaber combat Form even during TOR era.
Originally posted by Selenial
That's frankly one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.
Your complaints are ridiculous and irrational in regards to the official representation of Nyriss.
Originally posted by Selenial
Wow. Lord Scourge scared a few lords who sometimes aren't even lords. That's super impressive, much wow. He's not recognized as Surik tier actually, he thinks he might have a good fight with her. Massive difference.
And Lord Scourge is implied to be Surik TIER because he felt that she represented a decent test for him, should it come down to exchanging blows between them. As an experienced Force-user with the ability to analyze the capabilities of his opponents, his judgement has merit in this regard.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Kit Fisto overcame shit, his weaknesses became apparent in his confrontations with other skilled lightsaber combatants such as Asajj Ventress and Darth Sidious.In addition, Form I is acknowledged as a [B]balanced
lightsaber combat form even during TOR era.
Your ignorance is amusing. Kenobi is a far superior duelist to Ventress, and in regards to Kenobi: "Obi-Wan swiftly discovered that Kit was the better swordfighter, astonishingly aggressive and intuitive" Besides, Ventress beat Kit due to prior knowledge in his forms and weakness. Kit's fighting style is to go overly agressive, almost brutish, but no Jedi would ever do that against an opponent they do not know. He knew nothing of Ventress.
Losing to Sidious is hardly a bad thing.
Nyriss demonstrated combat prowess of such magnitude that she outdueled two EXPERT lightsaber combatants such as Lord Scourge and Meetra Surik.Your complaints are ridiculous and irrational, concerning the aforementioned official representation of Nyriss.
Lord Scourge was a battle-hardened warrior and was chosen by the Emperor himself to help Nyriss in tracking down and eliminating her enemies.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Limited indeed. I'd avoid lecturing people on the subject in the future.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
As for the setting, I don't believe it was in Kaas City, but somewhere outside.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Regardless considering that Dromund Kaas is:And according to Luke from the Fate of the Jedi series is:And once they land on the planet, is described in this manner:
Nyriss would have had her powers amplified in some form, if not considerably. Simply because the planet is not described as a nexus, and made exclusive from nexuses such as the Dark Temple, does not mean the dark side of the Force is not potent.
Dark Side could be (holistically) potent on Dromund Kaas but Nyriss outdueled Lord Scourge as well, an individual whose lightsaber combat skills are more clearly defined and hyped in comparison to that of Surik's [in the same source].
Nyriss is legit. The end.
Originally posted by Selenial
Your ignorance is amusing. Kenobi is a far superior duelist to Ventress, and in regards to Kenobi: "Obi-Wan swiftly discovered that Kit was the better swordfighter, astonishingly aggressive and intuitive" Besides, Ventress beat Kit due to prior knowledge in his forms and weakness. Kit's fighting style is to go overly agressive, almost brutish, but no Jedi would ever do that against an opponent they do not know. He knew nothing of Ventress.
Asajj Ventress had no prior experience with Kit Fisto, she observed him fighting some opponents from a distance and was able to counter his moves when he attacked her. This is not an unusual development, and shouldn't be used as an excuse for Fisto's failure or vulnerabilities in lightsaber combat.
Originally posted by Selenial
Losing to Sidious is hardly a bad thing.
Originally posted by Selenial
Kenobi out-dueled Maul and Savage, but still everyone recognizes that Maul and Kenobi are of the same tier. 2v2 fighting is difficult to gauge, but even so, Marek contended with Vader and that is a far superior feat.
Originally posted by Selenial
Scourge was only chosen because he had no affiliation to any Dark Council member. Try again.
His presence was an insult to her loyal followers, and a reminder that the Emperor doubted her ability to deal with the assassins herself.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And according to Luke from the Fate of the Jedi series is:And once they land on the planet, is described in this manner:
Nyriss would have had her powers amplified in some form, if not considerably. Simply because the planet is not described as a nexus, and made exclusive from nexuses such as the Dark Temple, does not mean the dark side of the Force is not potent.
Both these quotes are from thousands of years after Nyriss died though.
Originally posted by NephthysAnd over those thousands of years, very little happened, and it saw very little use, certainly none such use that would have at all added to it's dark side potency. So indeed if anything, the nexus would have gotten weaker.
Both these quotes are from thousands of years after Nyriss died though.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
And over those thousands of years, very little happened, and it saw very little use, certainly none such use that would have at all added to it's dark side potency. So indeed if anything, the nexus would have gotten weaker.
We don't know that. How do you know that nothing majorly effed up the planet after Nyriss' death? Like a ****ton of Sith dying when the Empire fell? Or Vitiate getting finished off for good and exploding in a blast of the energy from Nathema?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDI can only assume your implying that the supposed light side nexus of the Jedi Temple should have weakened them.
Do explain to me that why Darth Malgus and Darth Vader were highly effective in combat in the Jedi Temple on Coruscant, if a nexus setting considerably influences (either positively or negatively) a Force-user's ability to call upon the Force.
This is not how it works. Where the dark side is oppressive, the light side is passive. Only dark side nexuses are know to stifle one's ability to wield the Force, a light side nexus, if any such thing can exist, as they are merely referred to as "Force nexuses", simply doesn't possess this oppressive nature.
Indeed refer Irek Ismaren i.e. Lord Nyax, who managed to tap into to these energies. Given that it should have not been detrimental to them whatsoever.
Now this is an argument worth respect. Appreciated.I'm sorry but the story continues.Dark Side could be (holistically) potent on Dromund Kaas but Nyriss outdueled Lord Scourge as well, an individual whose lightsaber combat skills are more clearly defined and hyped in comparison to that of Surik's [in the same source].
Nyriss is legit. The end.
Nyriss defeated Scourge through superior speed and strength, not skill, via her evidently superior Force ability she could and was able to simply overwhelm Scourge, and in this respect Scourge's lightsaber skills proved negilible.
Indeed as Scourge remarks:
Nyriss was too powerful; her command of the dark side was too strong.This is made quite evident in the fight itself also:
Scourge barely managed to parry the first wave of her assault, unable to even think about countering with an attack of his own. Another quick thrust forced him off balance and he staggered backward.This is effectively the extent of Scourge's ability to challenge Nyriss, in which he is too slow to even offer a counterattack and bring his martial skills to bear, and once away from Nyriss, cannot even engage her without being blown back....
Scourge rushed forward, hoping to drive Nyriss back into a corner, but she met his charge with an invisible wave of rippling energy. It picked Scourge up and tossed him head-over-heels, sending him crashing to the wall.
Sadly for Nyriss, she'll have no such luxuries against Starkiller, who should have little difficult contending with her strength and speed, furthermore as one with specialises in the art of Sith sorcery, it is likely that she favoured study of Force abilities over lightsaber combat.
Which makes it equally unlikely she'll be a superior duelist to an individual who has been forged into a martial weapon by one of the greatest lighsaber duellists in mythos.
Originally posted by NephthysSo we are now resorting to making up lore to support our arguments?
We don't know that. How do you know that nothing majorly effed up the planet after Nyriss' death? Like a ****ton of Sith dying when the Empire fell? Or Vitiate getting finished off for good and exploding in a blast of the energy from Nathema?
How about we look at what actually has happened in existing continuity, and if something to this effect does happen, we can take that into account.
SK was able to contend Master swordsmen like Ti who was considered one of the most accomplished duelists of the order(TCW magazine) and was also revered by her fellow peers(TCW magazine). Not to mention considered dangerous by Mace(LoE)
That alone should put him above Nyriss in combat, adding Vader to the mix is just overkill.
Starkiller wins this IMO
Originally posted by Beniboybling
So we are now resorting to making up lore to support our arguments?How about we look at what actually has happened in existing continuity, and if something to this effect does happen, we can take that into account.
No, we're not making up anything. We're just not assuming anything. That just makes an ass out of u and me.
Originally posted by NephthysWhich is why I'm not assuming, I'm going off existing continuity.
No, we're not making up anything. We're just not assuming anything. That just makes an ass out of u and me.
In existing continuity nothing happened during this period. And when the writers and Fate of the Jedi and the creators of SWTOR envisioned Dromund Kaas they did not infer imaginary events, they looked at existing continuity of Dromund Kaas as a planet steeped in the dark side, and portrayed it accordingly.
We therefore have no reason to believe FotJ's portrayal of Dromund Kaas is in anyway different to SWTOR's portrayal of the planet due to imagined, non-existent events.
On the other hand it was most likely inferred (as it has been with Korriban and other Sith worlds) by the writers of FotJ and indeed those who wrote its initial appearance in Star Wars: Jedi Knight, that this ancient Sith world, visited in an era far from its golden age, might have lost some potency, yet remained so powerful in its prime, that it is still a threat.
Therefore for us as fans, based on existing continuity, its a valid conclusion to make.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Which is why I'm not assuming, I'm going off existing continuity.In existing continuity nothing happened during this period. And when the writers and Fate of the Jedi and the creators of SWTOR envisioned Dromund Kaas they did not infer imaginary events, they looked at existing continuity of Dromund Kaas as a planet steeped in the dark side, and portrayed it accordingly.
We therefore have no reason to believe FotJ's portrayal of Dromund Kaas is in anyway different to SWTOR's portrayal of the planet due to imagined, non-existent events.
On the other hand it was most likely inferred (as it has been with Korriban and other Sith worlds) by the writers of FotJ and indeed those who wrote its initial appearance in Star Wars: Jedi Knight, that this ancient Sith world, visited in an era far from its golden age, might have lost some potency. Therefore for us as fans, based on existing continuity, its a valid conclusion to make.
You are assuming. Very much so.
Um, I just told you about something that did happen. The Sith Empire fell. There's a ton of variables there. The two things I mentioned were very plausible possibilities that you did not refute and those were just two random thoughts. Regardless, 3 and a half thousand years is a hell of a long time. It's illogical to dismiss that timespan as not relevant without knowledge.
It's funny how this is a valid conclusion to make whereas in other cases of ambiguity and a lack of knowledge people have always erred on the safe side. We don't know how Vitiate killed the Darth Council so we don't rule out a prepped ritual as a possibility. We cannot use nexus feats because we can't tell how big the amp was. Yet here it's just an easy assumption to make. 3,500 years of unknown variables is no reason to doubt something.
And again, you're just assuming that it lost it's potency. It is not likely inferred at all.