Originally posted by Nephthys
He'll just say that his opinions are unofficial. Also leave him alone, jesus. Bothering authors just to win arguments is really lame.
Someone's scared now 🙄
I've emailed him twice in the past 2 years, I'm not Ant. And he didn't actually say his opinions were unofficial, I asked him about the numbers because the SWTOR(E) seemed overblown and pretty abnormal, and he estimated there were a few thousand Sith across the galaxy....
Originally posted by Selenial
Someone's scared now 🙄I've emailed him twice in the past 2 years, I'm not Ant. And he didn't actually say his opinions were unofficial, I asked him about the numbers because the SWTOR(E) seemed overblown and pretty abnormal, and he estimated there were a few thousand Sith across the galaxy....
I literally couldn't care less what he says. His emails are unofficial and he doesn't need to state that.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66Mmm but cut content from say KOTOR II, contradicts the game proper, and yet we still regard it with value.
It contradicts the novel by having a different account on what happened in that situation.Nice find, though (seen it before - forgot about it).
When it comes to displays in the Force, I feel contradictions of this kind are still valid in regards to what they are capable of, if they found themselves in that situation, even if they never actually did.
Originally posted by SelenialThe planet is bristling with the energy of the dark side...
Well Ok, I'll email Drew.I mean he's already confirmed that the SWTOR(E) estimation on Sith Numbers aren't accurate, so I'm sure he'll confirm that DK is a nexus.
--Dromund Kaas, Old Republic HoloNet
I assumed Neph was just being pedantic, as I've already provided this quote.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Do I need proof to make a logical claim?
It's not logical at all.
Originally posted by Nephthys
"The further one branches away from the movies, the more interpretation and speculation come into play. LucasBooks works diligently to keep the continuing Star Wars expanded universe cohesive and uniform, but stylistically, there is always room for variation. Not all artists draw Luke Skywalker the same way. Not all writers define the character in the same fashion. The particular attributes of individual media also come into play. A comic book interpretation of an event will likely have less dialogue or different pacing than a novel version. A video game has to take an interactive approach that favors gameplay. So too must card and roleplaying games ascribe certain characteristics to characters and events in order to make them playable."The analogy is that every piece of published Star Wars fiction is a window into the 'real' Star Wars universe. Some windows are a bit foggier than others. Some are decidedly abstract. But each contains a nugget of truth to them. Like the great Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi said, 'many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view.'"
Cool. So it's as canon as SWTOR. 👆
Originally posted by Selenial
Well Ok, I'll email Drew.I mean he's already confirmed that the SWTOR(E) estimation on Sith Numbers aren't accurate, so I'm sure he'll confirm that DK is a nexus.
Mr. Kayphyshn had left BioWare years ago and his unofficial opinion doesn't holds more weightage then the official information. People generally consider official information as factual and consult authors on the matters that are poorly described at official capacity [or grey].
The Empire contained millions of Force-sensitives at a time. Training in the ways of the dark side was compulsory for all Force-sensitives. Millions would start from Sith Academies but the numbers would continue to reduce at the higher echelons of power. At the top, Darths always remained in short numbers because becoming one was extremely difficult and many would perish during training, competition, and politics. And the vicious cycle would repeat non-stop.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDLol, OK. Let's say they are Kanan Jarrus level feats.
You are contradicting yourself.At the start, you acknowledge that Lord Scourge is an above-average Force-user. But below, you assert that an average Knight can match Lord Scourge.
So is Lord Scourge an average Force-user or above-average Force-user? Decide on this first.
What is important though, its that they are unimpressive, and Nyriss notably surpassing them does not make her faster than Starkiller by any stretch.
Baseless assertions?No I'm not, I'm asserting that Nyriss did not defeat Scourge and the Exile by virtue of her superior skill, hence she is not a superior duelist to either Scourge or the Exile.You are asserting that Nyriss is not a skilled lightsaber combatant. That she was able to outduel two expert swordsmen by virtue of her superior speed and strength.
This is self evident from the content, which demonstrates her overwhelming her opponents through strength and speed alone, skill had very little to do with it.
More realistic interpretation of that event from the novel:Even if the events didn't occur in that way in the novel, its still a valid indication of what Starkiller is capable of.A dozen open-helmeted men and women in brown combat uniforms-Kota's insurgents, the apprentice presumed-came down the hangar's primary access corridor, sealing the blast door behind them. Baring his teeth, he ran to meet them, eager to take the offensive. Their rifles were no match for the power of the Force. A single, powerful push scattered them like dolls. One he blasted with lightning. A second he choked until all consciousness fled. A third he swept up and pounded against the nearest bulk-head. The rest he dismembered with graceful aggression, ignoring their cries of fear and pain.
Taken from Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
Also, that was a normal lightning burst from Nyriss. Her charged attack may have vaporized those guards.
On top of that Nyriss had her ass handed to her by Revan in a contest of raw Force power, whereas in a similar engagement, Galen Marek was able to almost overwhelm Darth Sidious.
Go figure.
Look again:All you have proven is that Nyriss possesses skill, not that she possesses superior skill to Starkiller.Whether facing a traitorous fellow Sith or a crowd of Republic soldiers, the Inquisitor fights with unlimited fury to create a storm of destruction. Expertise in conducting Force energies further allows Inquisitors to draw upon the life essence of themselves and others. This energy can be channeled to bolster their powers, harm their foes, and even to reinvigorate their allies. An Inquisitor's skills with a Lightsaber are equally impressive. Often wielding a double-bladed Lightsaber, Inquisitors use quick, guileful, and lethal maneuvers to strike their enemies down with astonishing speed.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Holonet
Even if Nyriss did not neglect her abilities, by merit of being an Inquisitor whose focus it is made clear is in Sith sorcery and other aspects of the Force, she is simply unlikely to be trained to as high a standard as Vader's personal assassin, who on top of personal training, used PROXY to test his abilities against some of the greatest duelists in mythos.
Observe:
Under Vader's relentless tutelage, the Apprentice all but perfected the fine art of lightsaber combat and learned to wield many fearsome dark side powers.Whatever tutelage Nyriss received would be decidedly inferior.-- The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lol, OK. Let's say they are Kanan Jarrus level feats.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
What is important though, its that they are unimpressive, and Nyriss notably surpassing them does not make her faster than Starkiller by any stretch.
Starkiller:
Finally, Starkiller saw an opportunity. They were exchanging rapid blows along the edge of the buckled platform, blades swinging so fast they were visible only as blurs.
Taken from Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2 (Novelization)
Scourge:
Instead he performed a complex routine of drills designed to hone his reflexes, all while wearing his heavy armor. His crimson blade hummed as he cycled through the aggressive thrusts and cuts of Juyo, the seventh form of lightsaber combat. The weapon moved so fast that it was nothing but a blur, but each strike was precise and controlled.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
Do you notice any disparity in the capabilities of the two? It seems that Scourge and Starkiller are comparable in the matters of speed and dueling ability. Therefore, the possibility of Nyriss being faster then Starkiller cannot be ruled out.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
No I'm not, I'm asserting that Nyriss did not defeat Scourge and the Exile by virtue of her superior skill, hence she is not a superior duelist to either Scourge or the Exile.This is self evident from the content, which demonstrates her overwhelming her opponents through strength and speed alone, skill had very little to do with it.
Through years of disciplined training and meditation, the Jedi Knight hones body and mind into perfect harmony. Combining the foresight of the Force with unrivaled reflexes and practiced physical precision, the Knight turns combat into an art form, gracefully executing acrobatic feats in tandem with elegant lightsaber tactics.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic (Holonet)
Nyriss outdueled both Scourge and Meetra with combination of her ferocity, skill, speed, and strength.
Despite her withered appearance, she moved with the all the speed and ferocity of a dark side warrior in her prime. She landed right between her two adversaries, her blade flashing back and forth in a series of slashes and cuts that immediately threw her two opponents on the defensive.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan
The blue highlighted part represents skill, IMO.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Even if the events didn't occur in that way in the novel, its still a valid indication of what Starkiller is capable of.
Nyriss can likely achieve similar magnitude of potency against normal beings with her charged attacks.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
On top of that Nyriss had her ass handed to her by Revan in a contest of raw Force power, whereas in a similar engagement, Galen Marek was able to almost overwhelm Darth Sidious.Go figure.
Lightsabers clashed inside the Emperor's dome, but Starkiller was ultimately no match for the power of Darth Sidious.
Taken from The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia
Go figure.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
All you have proven is that Nyriss possesses skill, not that she possesses superior skill to Starkiller.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Even if Nyriss did not neglect her abilities, by merit of being an Inquisitor whose focus it is made clear is in Sith sorcery and other aspects of the Force, she is simply unlikely to be trained to as high a standard as Vader's personal assassin, who on top of personal training, used PROXY to test his abilities against some of the greatest duelists in mythos.
Whether facing a traitorous fellow Sith or a crowd of Republic soldiers, the Inquisitor fights with unlimited fury to create a storm of destruction. Expertise in conducting Force energies further allows Inquisitors to draw upon the life essence of themselves and others. This energy can be channeled to bolster their powers, harm their foes, and even to reinvigorate their allies. An Inquisitor's skills with a Lightsaber are equally impressive. Often wielding a double-bladed Lightsaber, Inquisitors use quick, guileful, and lethal maneuvers to strike their enemies down with astonishing speed.
Taken from Star Wars: The Old Republic (Holonet)
ANALOGY: Yoda is a Jedi Consular and you are aware of his dueling ability.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Observe:Whatever tutelage Nyriss received would be decidedly inferior.
Scourge and Starkiller are comparable in dueling ability. In-fact, Scourge's skills with a lightsaber are honed to perfection.
And yet, Nyriss outdueled Scourge.
Do the math.