Originally posted by FrothByte
So you didn't notice that IM was getting damaged throughout the fight whereas Thor had not a single scratch on him?
So Thor didn't feel those attacks? Also, are you really basing Thor damaging Tony's arms as the decision of the fight because it was far from over.
Also, didn't Tony use said amp when he basted Thor?
Originally posted by Silent Master
There is nothing that suggests that the Shield against were ordered to hold back in hth.
They looked like agents with SERIOUS martial prowess to you?
What are the options here? Hawkeye could have hit him with a leg shot, and arm shot, he has stun arrows he could have hit him with. Thor was not to be harmed because it was obvious to Coulson that Thor could enlighten him on the 'artifact'. They might have been trying to restrain him, but that is a world away from how they would fight if they were actually going in for the kill against an imminent threat.
If you think they were fighting to full potential or if, to you, you saw that fight and thought Wow, Thor is an extremely proficient hand to hand specialist, all it does is reveal your bias goggles. Marvel cinematic universe Thor might have fought a lot of battles, but nor you or I have ever seen him win a fight because of his "skill" as a combatant. That's not up for debate, because we've seen what "skill as a combatant" looks like in the MCU, it looks like Scarlett johanssen and to an even higher degree, it looks like Cap.
Strong. Powerful. Durable. Skillfull?
Hawkeye not shooting Thor doesn't mean the ones Thor was fighting were holding back in their hth ability, hell Phil makes it a point of saying that Thor made some of the most highly trained fighters on Earth look like a bunch of mall cops. so once again, there is no proof that they were holding back their hth ability.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Hawkeye not shooting Thor doesn't mean the ones Thor was fighting were holding back in their hth ability, hell Phil makes it a point of saying that Thor made some of the most highly trained fighters on Earth look like a bunch of mall cops. so once again, there is no proof that they were holding back their hth ability.
Hyperbole, and you know it. Did that fight give you any indication that if a powerless Thor fought Hawkeye, Widow or Steve, he would stand much of a chance? Because THATS what the most highly trained fighters on the planet earth look like.
Not the guys he fought. :/
People are talking like in Hulkbuster vs Thor fight , Tony will be the mindless one and Thor will be fighting smart ! BUT
In Thor vs Kurse fight , kurse was dominating him and Thor couldn't do a single thing about it , he has all this Exotic powers but what did he do ?
HE JUST GOT BEATEN.
Not even one of those crazy powers that people are saying he has , helped him !
Originally posted by DrDeadpool
People are talking like in Hulkbuster vs Thor fight , Tony will be the mindless one and Thor will be fighting smart ! BUT
In Thor vs Kurse fight , kurse was dominating him and Thor couldn't do a single thing about it , he has all this Exotic powers but what did he do ?
HE JUST GOT BEATEN.
Not even one of those crazy powers that people are saying he has , helped him !
IM is not Kurse. Doesn't have reflex speed like Kurse. Doesn't have toughness like Kurse. Etc.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Hyperbole, and you know it. Did that fight give you any indication that if a powerless Thor fought Hawkeye, Widow or Steve, he would stand much of a chance? Because THATS what the most highly trained fighters on the planet earth look like.Not the guys he fought. :/
And you back up this claim with what proof? That SHIELD agents are not some of the most highly trained fighters on the planet?
Originally posted by carver9
So Thor didn't feel those attacks? Also, are you really basing Thor damaging Tony's arms as the decision of the fight because it was far from over.Also, didn't Tony use said amp when he basted Thor?
Feel? Of course he did. Injured? Not a chance. The fight was interrupted before it finished but it was clear who was worse off from the fight. If you can't tell who it was then there's no point debating with you.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Fuel =/= explosion. Electrical discharge = still electricity. This is where your argument falls apart.3. Thor is a brawler. He will not use his more exotic powers right from the start, if he uses them at all. He will charge Iron Man and go H2H where the Hulkbuster's Hulk-level strength can do some serious damage.
That said, I'm not saying Iron Man wins, but his odds aren't bad at all.
Thor didn't brawl against Destroyer...
Originally posted by FrothByte
IM is not Kurse. Doesn't have reflex speed like Kurse. Doesn't have toughness like Kurse. Etc.
There is no ETC ! Iron man has reflex speed too ! there are all those dodgings in the movies with the normal suit ! there is no reason he can't do those with Hulkbuster too !
Kurse's only power was his strength and Thor had time to use one of his powers when he was getting beaten ! but he got totally dominated ! that's the point !
Originally posted by DrDeadpool
There is no ETC ! Iron man has reflex speed too ! there are all those dodgings in the movies with the normal suit ! there is no reason he can't do those with Hulkbuster too !
Kurse's only power was his strength and Thor had time to use one of his powers when he was getting beaten ! but he got totally dominated ! that's the point !
There is no ETC? What kind of answer is that?
Dude, how old are you? I'm genuinely curious.
Anyway... Kurse was fast enough to swat Mjolnir out of the way while he had his back turned. IM doesn't have reflex feats that can equate to those. Kurse doesn't feel pain as well. He gets stabbed and cut and all and he just keeps walking. IM can't tank a sword through the guy like that. Even before he became Kurse, Algrim was an elven warrior, and you're talking about centuries of fighting experience that Tony doesn't have.
Originally posted by FrothByte
There is no ETC? What kind of answer is that?
Dude, how old are you? I'm genuinely curious.
Irrelevant.
[i]Anyway... Kurse was fast enough to swat Mjolnir out of the way while he had his back turned. IM doesn't have reflex feats that can equate to those. Kurse doesn't feel pain as well. He gets stabbed and cut and all and he just keeps walking. IM can't tank a sword through the guy like that. Even before he became Kurse, Algrim was an elven warrior, and you're talking about centuries of fighting experience that Tony doesn't have. [/B]
Tony will not fell the pain too and in the first Iron man Tony dodged that tank attack , that is pretty close to kurse feat and Hulkbuster has other powers beside strength that are being ignored here ! the way he fought Hulk was very strategic and his pulses was also much more powerful than his regular pulses !
Originally posted by Psychotron
Kurse also got impaled by Loki of all people, that should tell you how shit his durability is.
He got impaled by an elven sword by Loki who has asgardian level strength. Not exactly sure how this shows low durability? Plus that sword strike didn't seem to hurt him. It definitely wasn't fatal.
People here have this imagination that Thor and Asgard are so powerful in the movies and that's something i call Comic effect !
You should see the movies as the way they are ! i know many non comic readers that have seen the movies and don't consider Thor as powerful as many people on this board claim !
You guys say kurse dominated Thor because he has this godly strength not because Thor is not as powerful as you think he is !
You think Hulk could manhandle Thor because Thor was holding back not because he is not as powerful as you think he is !
You think Iron man could fight with Thor because Thor was holding back and he was amped up not because Thor is not as powerful as you think he is , and you are totally ignoring that even before the charge he could attack Thor , i personally have problem with this getting 4 times more powerful but i ignore this for now !