Originally posted by FrothByte
Hulk was clearly stunned when Thor hit him with Mjolnir. That's quite different from Thor simply shrugging off all of IM's hits.
Look at rhe fight. Pretty even to me.
Originally posted by carver9
Look at rhe fight. Pretty even to me.
So you didn't notice that IM was getting damaged throughout the fight whereas Thor had not a single scratch on him?
Originally posted by DrDeadpool
I wonder when people want to realize that movie Thor is not as powerful as his comic counterpart ! and stop overestimating him !
Please see the Iron man vs Thor fight and Hulk vs Thor fight in the first Avengers as the way it is !
We do. Iron Man was amped 400% and was still getting beat. There's just no getting around that. Hulk had the advantage of an indoor close combat fight.
How well do you think Hulkbuster would have done against Hulk in those conditions?
Thor didn't get to fly or shoot even a little bit of Lightning in that fight. Whilst Hulkbuster got to go all out with Repulsors, flight, everything.
Thor is the most powerful of the Movie Avengers. Despite the fact the story writers aren't giving him much of a role.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Maybe he's the most powerful, but he's not the best H2H combatant and fighting Iron Man means he can't use some of his most devastating attacks. Thor would win if he fought smart, but that's OOC for him.
His most powerful attack is his charged hammer strike.
He can't SHOOT Iron Man with lightning but there's nothing out there that shows Iron Man being able to absorb the impact of a charged hammer strike.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
His most powerful attack is his charged hammer strike.He can't SHOOT Iron Man with lightning but there's nothing out there that shows Iron Man being able to absorb the impact of a charged hammer strike.
Why not? The charged strike is powerful because it releases kinetic and electric energy. The kinetic part will hurt Iron man, sure, but I don't see why he can't absorb the electric energy if he's already absorbed Thor's lightning before.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Why not? The charged strike is powerful because it releases kinetic and electric energy. The kinetic part will hurt Iron man, sure, but I don't see why he can't absorb the electric energy if he's already absorbed Thor's lightning before.
Because the "electrical discharge" comes in the form of a powerful explosion. Just because you can absorb electricity coming in a steady stream into your arc reactor doesn't mean you can absorb a sudden explosion of the same energy
Think about it in a fuel kinda way. You can use gas as fuel doesn't mean you can use a gas explosion.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Because the "electrical discharge" comes in the form of a powerful explosion. Just because you can absorb electricity coming in a steady stream into your arc reactor doesn't mean you can absorb a sudden explosion of the same energyThink about it in a fuel kinda way. You can use gas as fuel doesn't mean you can use a gas explosion.
Poor analogy. The electrical explosion is simply electricity going in all directions, no reason why IM can't absorb at least part of it.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Poor analogy. The electrical explosion is simply electricity going in all directions, no reason why IM can't absorb at least part of it.
Um. No, perfect analogy actually. It just kills your argument, s'why you wanna deny it.
Ok, go ahead and charge your cel with an electrical explosion and see how much you get.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Um. No, perfect analogy actually. It just kills your argument, s'why you wanna deny it.Ok, go ahead and charge your cel with an electrical explosion and see how much you get.
Fuel =/= explosion. Electrical discharge = still electricity. This is where your argument falls apart.
But even if it didn't, Thor's charged hammer strike is extremely unlikely for three reasons:
1. Tony is Thor's friend. It's unlikely he'll pull out his strongest attack against him, especially at the start of the fight.
2. Thor almost never uses it. He didn't use it against Hulk, he didn't use against Kurse, he didn't use it against Ultron.
3. Thor is a brawler. He will not use his more exotic powers right from the start, if he uses them at all. He will charge Iron Man and go H2H where the Hulkbuster's Hulk-level strength can do some serious damage.
That said, I'm not saying Iron Man wins, but his odds aren't bad at all.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Maybe he's the most powerful, but he's not the best H2H combatant
He's certainly infinitely better than IM in that department.
Originally posted by Psychotron
and fighting Iron Man means he can't use some of his most devastating attacks.
That's true. And that's what gives IM a chance here and will defo make this a good fight. But I'm still definitely inclined to give Thor the majority.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Thor would win if he fought smart, but that's OOC for him.
He fought without using his versatility against a brute like Hulk, but would probably fight with more variety against a versatile opponent like IM like he did the first time.
I don't know if he knows his Lightning amps IM, but I do know he didn't shoot IM with Lightning again after it amped him. So it would be a decent guess that he realized it's effect and adapted his combat style appropriately.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He's certainly infinitely better than IM in that department.That's true. And that's what gives IM a chance here and will defo make this a good fight. But I'm still definitely inclined to give Thor the majority.
He fought without using his versatility against a brute like Hulk, but would probably fight with more variety against a versatile opponent like IM like he did the first time.
I don't know if he knows his Lightning amps IM, but I do know he didn't shoot IM with Lightning again after it amped him. So it would be a decent guess that he realized it's effect and adapted his combat style appropriately.
Barely, if it all. The movies just didn't make Thor look skilled, especially for a warrior who's fought for thousands of years.
Fair enough.
Well, he didn't use it against Kurse or Ultron either. Thor likes to brawl, that's part of his character.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Barely, if it all. The movies just didn't make Thor look skilled, especially for a warrior who's fought for thousands of years.
You think he's only barely better than Tony at H2H?
The movies may not have choreographed his moves the best, but they clearly showed he was that good when he took out a whole base of SHIELD Agents without any powers.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Well, he didn't use it against Kurse or Ultron either. Thor likes to brawl, that's part of his character.
But then he did against The Destroyer, the Frost Giants and IM. So it's not that clear cut. I'd say the fight scenes in Thor2 were done pretty badly and that Avengers 2 just didn't do his character justice tbh.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Fuel =/= explosion. Electrical discharge = still electricity. This is where your argument falls apart.But even if it didn't, Thor's charged hammer strike is extremely unlikely for three reasons:
1. Tony is Thor's friend. It's unlikely he'll pull out his strongest attack against him, especially at the start of the fight.
2. Thor almost never uses it. He didn't use it against Hulk, he didn't use against Kurse, he didn't use it against Ultron.
3. Thor is a brawler. He will not use his more exotic powers right from the start, if he uses them at all. He will charge Iron Man and go H2H where the Hulkbuster's Hulk-level strength can do some serious damage.
That said, I'm not saying Iron Man wins, but his odds aren't bad at all.
Funny that you simply deny the term "explosion"and insist on "discharge" and then claim that my "argument fell apart" like you somehow came upon the truth of the scenario. As if electrical explosions don't exist. Maybe you should google the difference of a "dischage" and an "explosion" and see which one causes shockwaves like this:
1. No one said he was gonna use it right off the bat, but once Thor realizes he's a threat, he's gonna start pulling out the big guns.
2. Kurse separated him from the hammer and kept him unbalanced for most of the fight. Hulk fought him inside the helicarrier where he not only has no access to the skies, he's also surrounded by squishy humans, not a good idea to unleash a massive aoe attack, don't you think? And I can't remember the Ultron fight that well, but I think the fight happened by the vibranium core where he couldn't cut loose for for fear of damaging it. Tho, I'm not 100% sure of that.
3. He used his tornado on the Destroyer (yep, another super strong piece of tech) as soon as the fight started and took him apart in seconds. He used his lightning (an exotic power) on Iron Man near the start of the fight as well. His charged hammer strike on the frost giants and the leviathan and his flying hammer charge on the giant beastie at the start of Thor 1. And used his hammer defensively as well as used charged hammer strikes one after another after against Malekith. So, no, he does use his exotic powers quite often. It is true he likes to brawl to test himself but once he starts taking his opponents seriously, he brings out his exotics all the time.
Hulkbuster puts up a good fight but Thor takes it apart at least 7/10.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Funny that you simply deny the term "explosion"and insist on "discharge" and then claim that my "argument fell apart" like you somehow came upon the truth of the scenario. As if electrical explosions don't exist. Maybe you should google the difference of a "dischage" and an "explosion" and see which one causes shockwaves like this:1. No one said he was gonna use it right off the bat, but once Thor realizes he's a threat, he's gonna start pulling out the big guns.
2. Kurse separated him from the hammer and kept him unbalanced for most of the fight. Hulk fought him inside the helicarrier where he not only has no access to the skies, he's also surrounded by squishy humans, not a good idea to unleash a massive aoe attack, don't you think? And I can't remember the Ultron fight that well, but I think the fight happened by the vibranium core where he couldn't cut loose for for fear of damaging it. Tho, I'm not 100% sure of that.
3. He used his tornado on the Destroyer (yep, another super strong piece of tech) as soon as the fight started and took him apart in seconds. He used his lightning (an exotic power) on Iron Man near the start of the fight as well. His charged hammer strike on the frost giants and the leviathan and his flying hammer charge on the giant beastie at the start of Thor 1. And used his hammer defensively as well as used charged hammer strikes one after another after against Malekith. So, no, he does use his exotic powers quite often. It is true he likes to brawl to test himself but once he starts taking his opponents seriously, he brings out his exotics all the time.
Hulkbuster puts up a good fight but Thor takes it apart at least 7/10.
You're forgetting the kinetic part of the attack, that's why it looks like an explosion, and I already agreed that it will do damage, but there's no reason to assume Tony's suit won't be able to absorb the lightning if an inferior model has done it before.
Debatable.
Sure, we could agree about Hulk, but he separated himself from the hammer when fought Kurse. That was an opponent whom he should have attacked with his best right away, but he didn't. IIRC that was the key, the engine was at the bottom. I don't see why damaging the key would be a problem, they were trying to keep Ultron away from it, destroying it wouldn't be an issue.
He didn't take apart the Destroyer, he only beat it by reflecting it's beam back at it. The tornado didn't do anything to it. Tony is fast enough to avoid tornadoes, and the lightning will only amp him.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You think he's only barely better than Tony at H2H?The movies may not have choreographed his moves the best, but they clearly showed he was that good when he took out a whole base of SHIELD Agents without any powers.
But then he did against The Destroyer, the Frost Giants and IM. So it's not that clear cut. I'd say the fight scenes in Thor2 were done pretty badly and that Avengers 2 just didn't do his character justice tbh.
Well, aside from that one scene with the SHIELD agents, Thor hasn't really demonstrated much H2H skill, especially when you compare him to MAs like Captain America or Widow.
We can definitely agree on that last part.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
You think he's only barely better than Tony at H2H?The movies may not have choreographed his moves the best, but they clearly showed he was that good when he took out a whole base of SHIELD Agents without any powers.
He's a big strong guy, clearly the shield agents were under orders not to kill him, it's clearly implied because hawk was up top and could have ended it on command. So we have a multiple shield agents ordered to hold back, being hit buy a guy who weighs about 230 and is NOT holding back. Plus you are assuming all shield agents are Black Widow calibre or something. Are all cops Judo experts? Are all FBI agents krav maga specialists?
At least Tony Stark has demonstrated actual martial arts skills, as seen in his training in IM2 and 3. Thor has clearly, glaringly OBVIOUSLY only shown brute strength haymaker fighting. Each one of Thors asgardian teammates have demonstrated martial arts prowess FAR beyond Thor himself. Hes just more powerful.
Back on topic. Thor wins Eventually. Tonys suit will just be shredded piece by piece, and the regen bot hovering in the sky will get hit by Thor, no doubt. Hulk fought pretty mindlessly, Thor will fight tactically, and that's what the difference comes down to.
on a side not even though the hack that is Whedon has decided to take a full load of Stark cum right to the throat and make Tony the 'strongest one there is' I think thor is durable enough to outlast the spare part machine before KO.