Thor vs. Hulkbuster Iron Man

Started by FrothByte8 pages
Originally posted by Psychotron
And just how strong is Asgardian strength?

Strong enough to push around cars and trucks easily. Easily lifting a car with one hand. Withstanding a full kick from Captain America without getting knocked back. Hurling a full grown man dozens of feet away with a single palm thrust. Easily bending a tactical knife by gripping it.

Being bullet proof, meaning that their weapons and normal means of killing each other need to be stronger and more lethal than simply shooting at each other with our normal hand held weaponry.

The idea that Tony is comparable to Thor in H2H skills is frankly laughable. As is the Thor lowballing going around here.

I do blame Avengers 2 though. There's just no way

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Hulkbuster IM should have actually beat Hulk. Plus Thor was put as almost a background character in the movie.

In any case, Hulk losing to Hulkbuster should just prove Thor would take Hulk if he went all out in the open.

Originally posted by Psychotron
You're forgetting the kinetic part of the attack, that's why it looks like an explosion, and I already agreed that it will do damage, but there's no reason to assume Tony's suit won't be able to absorb the lightning if an inferior model has done it before.

Debatable.

Sure, we could agree about Hulk, but he separated himself from the hammer when fought Kurse. That was an opponent whom he should have attacked with his best right away, but he didn't. IIRC that was the key, the engine was at the bottom. I don't see why damaging the key would be a problem, they were trying to keep Ultron away from it, destroying it wouldn't be an issue.

He didn't take apart the Destroyer, he only beat it by reflecting it's beam back at it. The tornado didn't do anything to it. Tony is fast enough to avoid tornadoes, and the lightning will only amp him.

Well, aside from that one scene with the SHIELD agents, Thor hasn't really demonstrated much H2H skill, especially when you compare him to MAs like Captain America or Widow.

We can definitely agree on that last part.

So what you're saying is that the massive difference in damage caused by his charged strikes vs his normal strikes is simply kinetic force?? Maybe you should watch Thor 1 again. The ligthning explosion on impact is what caused the damage. There is no reason to assume Tony can absorb electrical explosions. You made the assertion that he can absorb it, prove it. Show him absorbing explosions of any kind.

It's not debatable as it is shown to bring out his exotics on screen as soon as he gets serious via his movies. It is fact.

No, Kurse kept him separated from Mjolnir after ambushing him. Then kept him dazed and off balance. Even stopped his hammer from returning by swatting it away (something Hulk couldn't do in Avengers btw). Watch Thor 2 again. They needed the key in one piece in order to analyze a way to take the city out as at that point, they had no plan to stop Ultron's plan as of yet IIRC.

"Take apart" meaning to defeat quickly and easily. It is questionable if Tony could resist those kinds of winds and the tornado will def take down the drone. And no, the charged hammer strikes are not absorbable as Tony has never absorbed explosions before.

Thor wins 7/10. And lowballing Thor's melee skills because he doesn't do flips like Cap and Widow is lol.

It's rather amusing how they lowball Thor and then complain when people point out that they're lowballing.

Lol...Ironman made a suit specifically to fight the Hulk. Not any other Avenger, primarily the Hulk. Why did he do this? Because Hulk is clearly the biggest threat on the team which is obvious so using Ironman defeating an unaware Hulk doesn't help Thor case in this battle.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Ironman made a suit specifically to fight the Hulk. Not any other Avenger, primarily the Hulk. Why did he do this? Because Hulk is clearly the biggest threat on the team which is obvious so using Ironman defeating an unaware Hulk doesn't help Thor case in this battle.

You're kidding right?

He made a suit for the Hulk because Hulk is the only one that goes berzerk and smash stuff.....

I will agree tho that IM caught Hulk unaware (not only unaware, but that Hulk relaxed his guard). But that helps IM's case less than it does Thor as we ARE talking about Veronica here...

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
The idea that Tony is comparable to Thor in H2H skills is frankly laughable. As is the Thor lowballing going around here.

I do blame Avengers 2 though. There's just no way

Spoiler:
Hulkbuster IM should have actually beat Hulk. Plus Thor was put as almost a background character in the movie.

In any case, Hulk losing to Hulkbuster should just prove Thor would take Hulk if he went all out in the open.

That's not how it works.

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Hulk losing to the Hulkbuster doesn't mean Hulk would lose to Thor.It just means IM performed better than Thor did. And before you say Thor was holding back, remember that Tony spent half the fight trying to calm Hulk or rescuing civilians.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
So what you're saying is that the massive difference in damage caused by his charged strikes vs his normal strikes is simply kinetic force?? Maybe you should watch Thor 1 again. The ligthning explosion on impact is what caused the damage. There is no reason to assume Tony can absorb electrical explosions. You made the assertion that he can absorb it, prove it. Show him absorbing explosions of any kind.

It's not debatable as it is shown to bring out his exotics on screen as soon as he gets serious via his movies. It is fact.

No, Kurse kept him separated from Mjolnir after ambushing him. Then kept him dazed and off balance. Even stopped his hammer from returning by swatting it away (something Hulk couldn't do in Avengers btw). Watch Thor 2 again. They needed the key in one piece in order to analyze a way to take the city out as at that point, they had no plan to stop Ultron's plan as of yet IIRC.

"Take apart" meaning to defeat quickly and easily. It is questionable if Tony could resist those kinds of winds and the tornado will def take down the drone. And no, the charged hammer strikes are not absorbable as Tony has never absorbed explosions before.

Thor wins 7/10. And lowballing Thor's melee skills because he doesn't do flips like Cap and Widow is lol.

Unless you live in a world where electricity causes quakes, then yes, it was the kinetic force. Don't know why that's so surprising, Thor is almost as strong as the Hulk after all. I don't have to prove Iron Man can absorb electrical attacks if he's already done it. It's up to you to prove that the hammer strike's electricity is somehow different from Thor's other lightning.

Oh, really? Then why didn't he use his exotic attacks against Kurse? Might have been a good idea to use lightning or a tornado before getting ass raped by the elf. Or why didn't he use those exotic attacks when Ultron was chocking him out with one arm instead of waiting for the Vision to save him?

Kurse didn't ambush him, Thor tried to ambush him with a hammer toss. Even without the hammer he could still summon his weather powers, but e didn't. Thor's exotic powers aren't always AoE, a few lightning bolts could have been very helpful while Ultron was manhandling him.

Both Tony and the drone can easily evade the tornado, and yes, Tony can absorb the strike as it's not an actual explosion but kinetic force + an electrical discharge. He can absorb the electricity since he's already done it in the past.

What skills? What on-screen skills has he shown? I'm not talking about shitty flips or whatever, just some kind of martial skill. Thor fight no better than brutes like the Hulk, he relies almost entirely on his power.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
You're kidding right?

He made a suit for the Hulk because Hulk is the only one that goes berzerk and smash stuff.....

I will agree tho that IM caught Hulk unaware (not only unaware, but that Hulk relaxed his guard). But that helps IM's case less than it does Thor as we ARE talking about Veronica here...

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Thor went berserk during the first movie and almost killed Cap. Hell, he choked Tony in the same movie. Why not make a suit for Thor, if he was as big a threat as the Hulk? I honestly don't see a reason when he original suit performed well against an enraged Thor.

Originally posted by carver9
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Thor went berserk during the first movie and almost killed Cap. Hell, he choked Tony in the same movie. Why not make a suit for Thor, if he was as big a threat as the Hulk? I honestly don't see a reason when he original suit performed well against an enraged Thor.

Probably because IM doesn't have the technology yet to deal with Thor. As strong as Hulk is, he's pretty much a 1 dimensional fighter. Making a suit to counter someone as versatile as Thor would be much harder to make.

Originally posted by Psychotron
That's not how it works.
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Hulk losing to the Hulkbuster doesn't mean Hulk would lose to Thor.It just means IM performed better than Thor did. And before you say Thor was holding back, remember that Tony spent half the fight trying to calm Hulk or rescuing civilians.

Of course he performed better than

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Thor did. He was out in the open, flying around, dropping Hulk down a Skyscraper. Blasting the crud out of him. All things Thor is capable of but to a better degree. Did Thor Lightning strike Hulk even once? Because he did against IM. And he hurricaned the Destroyer.

Originally posted by Psychotron
That's not how it works.
Spoiler:
Hulk losing to the Hulkbuster doesn't mean Hulk would lose to Thor.It just means IM performed better than Thor did. And before you say Thor was holding back, remember that Tony spent half the fight trying to calm Hulk or rescuing civilians.

Unless you live in a world where electricity causes quakes, then yes, it was the kinetic force. Don't know why that's so surprising, Thor is almost as strong as the Hulk after all. I don't have to prove Iron Man can absorb electrical attacks if he's already done it. It's up to you to prove that the hammer strike's electricity is somehow different from Thor's other lightning.

Oh, really? Then why didn't he use his exotic attacks against Kurse? Might have been a good idea to use lightning or a tornado before getting ass raped by the elf. Or why didn't he use those exotic attacks when Ultron was chocking him out with one arm instead of waiting for the Vision to save him?

Kurse didn't ambush him, Thor tried to ambush him with a hammer toss. Even without the hammer he could still summon his weather powers, but e didn't. Thor's exotic powers aren't always AoE, a few lightning bolts could have been very helpful while Ultron was manhandling him.

Both Tony and the drone can easily evade the tornado, and yes, Tony can absorb the strike as it's not an actual explosion but kinetic force + an electrical discharge. He can absorb the electricity since he's already done it in the past.

What skills? What on-screen skills has he shown? I'm not talking about shitty flips or whatever, just some kind of martial skill. Thor fight no better than brutes like the Hulk, he relies almost entirely on his power.

Strong enough explosions cause tremors, so you'd be wrong. It's easy, his normal lightning attacks don't cause massive explosions. And as per Thor 1, his charged hammer strike caused a massive explosion. Proof. Now it is up to you to prove Iron man can absorb a massive explosion as he has never absorbed an explosion before, so he can't absorb a charged hanmer strike explosion. But, if that is how you wanna play it, let's say the Jontunhem blast was caused by massive kinetic force. 😈

Funny thing is, if the sheer magnitude of the force of that blow was due to Thor's kinetic power, he would crumple Veronica like a tin can even without his lightning, so it looks like you kinda argued yourself into a corner here. 😱

Because (like I've repeated over and over), he got separated from his hammer early on and he was dazed and off balance the whole time as soon as he was ambushed? facepalm Fact is, there are many instances of him going exotic and you just choose to ignore them all right? Rewatch Thor 2. He was flying towards the ship when Kurse took him down as he was chasing after Malekith's ship to keep him from escaping, not attacking Kurse.

Most his charged hammer strikes caused massive aoe damage. Especially against vibranium. And lol at you using a few instances vs the many instances Thor has used his exotics. It looks like lowballing is all you have left as you have no argument beyond that.

You mean the drone that couldn't even avoid a few big rocks thrown at it? It's suddenly gonna start evading massive tornadoes now? Prove it. And Tony in the Hulkbuster armor is gonna have to try and enter the tornado if it wants to engage in melee vs Thor who's at the center of it.

You mean other than taking on a base full of SHIELD agents? Or avoiding Hulk's blows or easily sliding below a thrown fighter wing or deflecting energy blasts with a mallet or when he fought the Destroyer intelligently by turning its energy against it or when he used his flying hammer charge to one shot the giant monster thru its mouth? Or when he keeps outfighting his brother who was nearly keeping up with Cap's agility? But, by all means, let's lowball Thor's fighting skills. After all, that's all you got going for you.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Probably because IM doesn't have the technology yet to deal with Thor. As strong as Hulk is, he's pretty much a 1 dimensional fighter. Making a suit to counter someone as versatile as Thor would be much harder to make.

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He got a suit that can absorb Thor's lightning. I'm pretty sure he isn't worried about tornado. What else is there for Ironman to counter? If Anything, he is more prepared for Thor than Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
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He got a suit that can absorb Thor's lightning. I'm pretty sure he isn't worried about tornado. What else is there for Ironman to counter? If Anything, he is more prepared for Thor than Hulk.

He had a suit that Thor was crushing with his bare hands. Repulsor rays that didn't even give Thor a tan. Prepared? Yeah right.

Originally posted by carver9
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Thor went berserk during the first movie and almost killed Cap. Hell, he choked Tony in the same movie. Why not make a suit for Thor, if he was as big a threat as the Hulk? I honestly don't see a reason when he original suit performed well against an enraged Thor.

Lol.

Thor does not fly off the handle and does not lose control and endanger civilian lives like the Hulk does. Unlike Hulk, Thor can be reasoned with. Thor does not need someone to calm his ass down back to Banner after every fight. And, from what we gathered in their conversations, it was likely something Banner needed it as an assurance from Tony in case he ever loses control.

Originally posted by FrothByte
He had a suit that Thor was crushing with his bare hands. Repulsor rays that didn't even give Thor a tan. Prepared? Yeah right.

Even that one blast of lightning brought his power to 475% and slightly damaged the armor, it's not unreasonable to assume further strikes would completely overload the suit and damage it even more. carter is trying to slip in a no-limits fallacy.

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Originally posted by carver9
@Froth...

Lol...Ironman made a suit specifically to fight the Hulk. Not any other Avenger, primarily the Hulk. Why did he do this? Because Hulk is clearly the biggest threat on the team which is obvious so using Ironman defeating an unaware Hulk doesn't help Thor case in this battle.

Sigh. Nibedicus has a well thought-out response to this one so I won't bother responding to it.

All I will say is that he did make the suit SPECIFICALLY for Hulk. Not Thor. Thor and Hulk do not fight in the same manner.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Even that one blast of lightning brought his power to 475% and slightly damaged the armor, it's not unreasonable assume further strikes would completely overload the suit and damage it even more. carter is trying to slip in a no-limits fallacy.

Agreed. The lightning that Thor used doesn't look anywhere near the strongest ones he's had. And yes, IM's suit clearly had tears and cracks after that lightning strike.

Originally posted by FrothByte
He had a suit that Thor was crushing with his bare hands. Repulsor rays that didn't even give Thor a tan. Prepared? Yeah right.

We already been through this. Let's not compare physical damage. Ironman attacks did something during that scene.

Originally posted by carver9
We already been through this. Let's not compare physical damage. Ironman attacks did something during that scene.

Yeah, it messed up Thor's hair! 😱