How Powerful Is Ahsoka Now?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
We should really stop bringing the EU into canon discussions.

Other than that, in all his Canon showings he telekinetically dominates where he is able. Including in Rebels, "he was jobbing" seems a baseless excuse for not stomping with the Force over an almost three minute duel.

And we all know he can ragdoll the shit out of Ventress its not even funny. 🙂

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Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Or maybe Lucas just screwed up with that fight and knows in reality it should've gone Vader's way more easily.

I agree that that's the most likely actual reason but you can't really use out of universe intentions to debate in universe actions.

Originally posted by hutchy1345
Right enough that's just stupid how he couldn't force the holocron out of ezra's hand

Originally posted by Syndicate
I agree that that's the most likely actual reason but you can't really use out of universe intentions to debate in universe actions.

I know. Canonically, Ben's pretty good. But it's just one of those huge screw ups that I find annoying. Damn you, George.

How it is George's fault? He was on a limited budget and wasn't expecting SW to become this huge thing.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Altogether, Ahsoka lasted a full two minutes and 40 seconds against Vader before he BF'red her.

Off-screen fighting was 50 seconds though. Altogether still pretty impressive.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
I know. Canonically, Ben's pretty good. But it's just one of those huge screw ups that I find annoying. Damn you, George.

George never meant Vader to be God Tier though. Ever. That's more of an EU invention that Disney liked and rolled with.

George always wanted the PT to be the golden age of ability and saber technique. I mean...he kind of butchered this with his turrible 80% quote but that's about it.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Precisely, we should also stop pretending that Vader could actually ragdoll anyone in a movie made in 1975.

Other than that, in all his Canon showings he telekinetically dominates where he is able. Including in Rebels, "he was jobbing" seems a baseless excuse for not stomping with the Force over an almost three minute duel.

And we all know he can ragdoll the shit out of Ventress its not even funny. 🙂

Jobbing is a consistent character trait for Vader though. It's more accurate to say that he's as powerful as the story needs him to be and acts how it needs him to act. Theres no reason he shouldn't have ripped Ezra's ****ing fingers off with the holocron if he'd wanted to, it was just that way because plot.

I think he'd be capable of using the Force decisively against her, yes, just like he did against Ahsoka.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Jobbing is a consistent character trait for Vader though. It's more accurate to say that he's as powerful as the story needs him to be and acts how it needs him to act. Theres no reason he shouldn't have ripped Ezra's ****ing fingers off with the holocron if he'd wanted to, it was just that way because plot.

I think he'd be capable of using the Force decisively against her, yes, just like he did against Ahsoka.

There's no reason Vader shouldn't be able to instantly snap both Kanan and Ezra's necks the moment he got up there. AT ALL.

Vader didn't use much Force technique on Ahsoka as well.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Jobbing is a consistent character trait for Vader though. It's more accurate to say that he's as powerful as the story needs him to be and acts how it needs him to act. Theres no reason he shouldn't have ripped Ezra's ****ing fingers off with the holocron if he'd wanted to, it was just that way because plot.

I think he'd be capable of using the Force decisively against her, yes, just like he did against Ahsoka.

You say there is no reason he couldn't have retrieved the Holocron, fine, OK, that makes sense considering he's much more powerful than Ezra.

But for what reason exactly have you determined Vader can ragdoll Ahsoka? Filoni stated she'd be able to contend with Vader and that's what she did, I see no reason to assume that's plot driven.

In rebels it's almost like using the Force is like directing a giant plushie that envelops your targets and slides them.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
There is nothing accurate about this at all, its arbitary.

You say there is no reason he couldn't have retrieved the Holocron, fine, OK, that makes sense considering he's much more powerful than Ezra.

But for what reason exactly have you determined Vader can ragdoll Ahsoka? Filoni stated she'd be able to contend with Vader and that's what she did, I see no reason to assume that's plot driven.

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Originally posted by Beniboybling
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Originally posted by Beniboybling
There is nothing accurate about this at all, its arbitary.

You say there is no reason he couldn't have retrieved the Holocron, fine, OK, that makes sense considering he's much more powerful than Ezra.

But for what reason exactly have you determined Vader can ragdoll Ahsoka? Filoni stated she'd be able to contend with Vader and that's what she did, I see no reason to assume that's plot driven.

"Nothing accurate at all....... ok you're right" Ummmmm.....

I've seen nothing from Ahsoka suggesting she's powerful enough to resist Vader in TK. And plenty from Vader suggesting he can. When he brought the Force to bare, it ended the fight.

Lel I'm referring to your assertion Vader was jobbing against Ahsoka.

And that's because she fell off the Temple, Ahsoka could have done the same. 😬

And what has Vader done to prove he can ragdoll someone of Ahsoka's calibre?

I didn't say he was jobbing. My argument was that for whatever reason, Vader has trouble capitalizing on his superior Force powers in combat or prefers not to. He rarely does it and never to the extent that he just ragdolls someone straight up.

I doubt that.

Like, practically every TK feat he's done? What's Ashoka's calibre of Force defense? Please, enlighten me with some examples.

It's almost like it's harder to TK someone actively attacking you or something.