Originally posted by NewGuy01
Okay, but that's not true at all."You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor," Lucas says. "If Anakin hadn't got all beat up, he could've beat the Emperor."
[b]-George Lucas, The Making of Revenge of the SithBut because he did get all beat up, he can't beat the Emperor. Are we done? [/B]
That statement really doesn't hold up anymore.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I want to slap you in the face right now, but the price of a plane ticket to England is in conflict with this idea.
Don't worry, I'm already there so can do that for ya.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceLmao, what? Dude make the inference:
No the **** he didn't. He said only Luke can redeem Vader. No hope for redemption =/= no conflict. That's one of the single most retarded things you've said so far.
As far as how Vader would treat Ahsoka and react to her, I base that interaction - the attitude, if not the dialogue - on my conversation with George about how that would go. I asked him pretty pointedly, "How would this conversation go? How would he feel about her?" We both agreed that the one thing that Ahsoka can't represent in any way is any path of redemption for Vader, or the hope that that's there because Luke is the only one that's going to be able to make that happen.
You say its all of nothing when it clearly is. Any amount of conflict in Vader would constitute the possibility of his redemption in some form, even if Ahsoka wasn't the one who could bring it about; and it was the creation of that conflict by Luke, the "good in him", that offered that path, therefore there was none.
Let's go a little further:
And that's the story that we see. It was our belief that we could have this moment, but it's not even a moment of hesitation for Vader.
Again any amount of conflict = hesitation, there was none, therefore there was no conflict, sit down son.
Which again doesn't change what I said. I want to slap you in the face right now, but the price of a plane ticket to England is in conflict with this idea.I doubt they'd let you in to the country, we have a law against people spreading harmful rhetoric. 🙂
Not to mention he kind of wants Ahsoka alive to lead him to Yoda and Obi-Wan. Like he said.Right, did you ever consider that maybe Vader was lying about being merciful? We have no reason to believe he wouldn't have killed Ahsoka and everyone else as soon as she told him where the Jedi were. And regardless when she refuses, he says he'll just force it out of Ezra instead. Making her expendable.
Or you're an idiot. More evidence in the latter's favor.On the topic of evidence you still have provided a single proof that Vader was conflicted, so I don't even know why I'm entertaining this right now. 😂
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lmao, what? Dude make the inference:
*snip of a quote that doesn't even agree with you*You say its all of nothing when it clearly is. Any amount of conflict in Vader would constitute the possibility of his redemption in some form, even if Ahsoka wasn't the one who could bring it about; and it was the creation of that conflict by Luke, the "good in him", that offered that path, therefore there was none.
And that's the story that we see. It was our belief that we could have this moment, but it's not even a moment of hesitation for Vader.Again any amount of conflict = hesitation, there was none, therefore there was no conflict, sit down son.
I doubt they'd let you in to the country, we have a law against people spreading harmful rhetoric. 🙂
Right, did you ever consider that maybe Vader was lying about being merciful?
We have no reason to believe he wouldn't have killed Ahsoka and everyone else as soon as she told him where the Jedi were.
And regardless when she refuses, he says he'll just force it out of Ezra instead.
Making her expendable.On the topic of evidence you still have provided a single proof that Vader was conflicted, so I don't even know why I'm entertaining this right now. 😂
Originally posted by FreshestSliceDid you even read what Filoni said? He said that Ahsoka can't represent in "any way" a possibility of redemption for Vader, not even "hope that that's there." Causing internal conflict of any kind would represent a chance of redemption for Vader, because it would demonstrate he's not fully committed to the dark side, therefore there was no conflict. Goodness it's not rocket science.
That's actually not what that means. Like at all. Luke is the only one who can redeem Vader because those events already happened over three decades ago. That does not mean that there is absolutely zero conflict within somebody, nor does that men that conflict means Vader would be redeemed. Not wanting to kill someone doesn't make you a good person. 😬
He also said that Vader didn't even hesitate in deciding to kill her, how can you been at all conflicted yet not at all hesitate? Hmm?
And yet not only do they allow you to be on the internet, claiming to be from there while continuously making some of the worst arguments ever said in a pompous accent, they allow you to waste precious oxygen continuing to live.Your trying too hard, now excuse me while I go and make myself a cup of English breakfast.
Duh, point? He still needs to take her in alive to question her. 😬So? She's still going to end up dead.
So stabbing her in the face kind of stops her from talking at all.So what's your point? That Vader might have fallen short of killing her, and just disarmed her? How does that prove he's emotionally conflicted?
That's called bait.It's called options.
Probably because you have provided exactly zero evidence of your own and blatantly misrepresented the evidence you do have.Lmao, there's no shame in a concession Fresh.
Filoni tends to say one thing and show another though. Vader did seem to have moments of conflict to me personally. The moment where he shouts "AHSOKA" in a mix of Lantern's and Jones voices seemed pretty emotional on both sides tbh.
Either that or he had excessive hate/annoyance and other emotions towards her which might also cloud his usual judgement.
In either case I love how people are clinging to Filoni's line on Vader having no emotional conflict, yet ignoring his line about Ahsoka standing a better chance than most because she knows Vader so well.
Originally posted by Darth ThorWouldn't that be more to do with her knowing how he fights rather than an emotional edge? Or maybe they go hand in hand.
In either case I love how people are clinging to Filoni's line on Vader having no emotional conflict, yet ignoring his line about Ahsoka standing a better chance than most because she knows Vader so well.