How Powerful Is Ahsoka Now?

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Originally posted by |King Joker|
Obi-Wan in the zone, using an uncharacteristic offensive fighting style, small cave environment restricting Maul and Opress's movements, the fact Maul and Opress weren't trying to kill him, etc, lol. 🙂
Hey, look, someone who gets it. Out of like everyone else here.

Hey buddy.

The Ellimist The Shadow

We can just interpret it to mean technical skill.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Obi-Wan in the zone, using an uncharacteristic offensive fighting style, small cave environment restricting Maul and Opress's movements, the fact Maul and Opress weren't trying to kill him, etc, lol. 🙂

Which doesn't change Vader being above that Obi-Wan at all times, *****. Accept the ground reality that Vader is above Sidious and he is the most powerful Jedi and Sith.

The Ellimist The Shadow

Which is why he acts as his slave for the next twenty years, despite having plotted to overthrow him since RotS. 👆

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Sorry, Vader being a ***** doesn't change the fact that he was the greatest Jedi warrior by RotS. Canon has spoken.

The Ellimist The Shadow

Is there any source for this beyond that silly infographic?

The Rots novel also says that post-suit Vader tried to reach out and kill Sidious, but couldn't because he had only a shadow of his former power. 😬

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

YouTube video

Yeah, surprise right after being made a cripple, Vader has trouble. Kek.

NewGuy01 perpetual
Spoiler:
But if he wasn't crippled, he would have destroyed Sidious. 😎
FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Sidious would have been blitzed, yeah.

ares834 Senior Member
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
And he's really not. And them making Vader more skilled in canon basically wipes out the whole concept of the PT (you know, 'only Yoda and Mace could contend with Sids, Sids being the uber powerful Sith Lord who defeated 3 Masters in the blink of an eye and went toe-to-toe with Yoda)

That's... not really the whole concept of the PT. Not to mention it was thrown out the window when Talzin battled Sidious and managed to hold her own for a time.

Darth Thor Senior Member

^ Yeah also when Skywalker overpowered the Son and Daughter.

Beniboybling Worst Member

Honestly not seeing why its so hard to believe Vader is above Sidious because he's more active (and potentially more technically skilled), the source even refers to the infrequency of Palpatine using a blade.

The Ellimist The Shadow
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
YouTube video

Lol if you think that's definitive or anything. Don't forget that Legends' Anoon Bondara's lightsaber skills are second to none. 👆


Yeah, surprise right after being made a cripple, Vader has trouble. Kek.

Lol it's not like he was trying to fight Sidious in a duel.

Darth Thor Senior Member
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Honestly not seeing why its so hard to believe Vader is above Sidious because he's more active (and potentially more technically skilled), the source even refers to the infrequency of Palpatine using a blade.

Sidious could probably hold Vader at bay with his Lightning.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Don't forget that Legends' Anoon Bondara's lightsaber skills are second to none. 👆

Yeah but "skills" are not the same as overall prowess. See Bane beating Kas'im.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Honestly not seeing why its so hard to believe Vader is above Sidious because he's more active (and potentially more technically skilled), the source even refers to the infrequency of Palpatine using a blade.

Because Sidious not being an infallible god makes wanking and the several other random Sith Lords in the EU more difficult.

The_Tempest Senior Member
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Which is why he acts as his slave for the next twenty years, despite having plotted to overthrow him since RotS. 👆

lol

Col. Valerian Republic Navy

Vader being above Sidious is honestly beyond ridiculous in terms of storytelling, Rule of Two and simple logic.

Sure, the infograph can be interpreted in a way that Vader > Sheev in pure saber mastery, but if that's actually the canonical case, it just doesn't make sense at all.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

You keep saying that, but give no actual logic beyond a statement supporting itself.

Col. Valerian Republic Navy

The logic has been provided by myself, by Joker and by Gideon.

Sure, it might be 'canon', but it doesn't make sense. Why didn't Vader challenge Sidious in those 20 years? Why was Sidious, in the PT, portrayed as the most powerful and someone only Yoda or Mace could compete against? On the other hand, someone who's 'the most powerful of all Jedi and Sith', as you say, was given a good fight by Ahsoka, whom on the other hand had a brief but pretty much even duel against Rebels Maul.

FreshestSlice Eternal Commander

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
The logic has been provided by myself, by Joker and by Gideon.

"Vader still serves Sidious" is not an argument towards Sidious being more powerful than Vader. Nor is "Sidious defeated Maul and Savage, and I don't think Mace actually won." You saying, "The PT is about how great Sidious and Yoda are," is also by far the most nonsensical thing said so far.

Sure, it might be 'canon', but it doesn't make sense. Why didn't Vader challenge Sidious in those 20 years?

Because he needs an apprentice lined up and Sidious keeps killing them all when they get Ventress level?
Why was Sidious, in the PT, portrayed as the most powerful and someone only Yoda or Mace could compete against?

Was never said by anyone ever. The closest is, "You need to be a 9 to challenge Sidious," which is something Anakin is.
On the other hand, someone who's 'the most powerful of all Jedi and Sith', as you say, was given a good fight by Ahsoka, whom on the other hand had a brief but pretty much even duel against Rebels Maul.

Who is no match for Vader by his own words, so that's not even a point in your favor. Not to mention Sidious being challenged by the likes of a weakened Talzin. Ahsoka also had plenty of things in her favor such as knowing Vader's combat style, which is something the writer said she would have, more agility from not being a robot, and Vader's own emotional conflict in her favor. Being more technically powerful doesn't mean you can obliterate everyone who's weaker than you. That's never been true.