That's not what I said. I'm talking about how most of what you said so far is proven false in game, hardly anything brought up is TSLRC content.
And you obviously haven't played TOR, or read Revan for that matter, if you think most of KotORII wasn't retconned. Surik existed, the Triumvirate existed, and now they're all dead. If that's what you think KotORII is, than sure, it's referenced.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Nathema feat may not be combat applicable but Vitiate is capable of draining targets nonetheless.
I agree. I doubt he would use it against the team though.
Also, what do you imply with the so-called prep? What is this supposed to mean? Did Vitiate lit candles or something?Vitiate is stated to have explored the most sinister and uncharted depths of the dark side, it is likely possible that he have command of techniques that are not norm. And it is likely that Vitiate unleashed a special power to defeat the Sith Strike Team led by Darth Lokess. This revelation came in a medium released after novels and game. Therefore, newer revelations may come as a surprise to some, but they represent Vitiate's capabilities in firm.
That may very well be the case. However, Vitiate hasn't shown to be that powerful onscreen. So its open to speculation.
Like I said above though, he doesn't need the context lacking feats here.
Originally posted by Sinious
I agree. I doubt he would use it against the team though.
Originally posted by Sinious
That may very well be the case. However, Vitiate hasn't shown to be that powerful onscreen. So its open to speculation.
ANALOGY: Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia reveals that Vitiate 'easily' defeated the Jedi Strike Team led by Master Braga on his space station. On-screen depiction of this event may give the vibe of a struggle on both sides, which is misleading.
Do also keep in mind that Vitiate soloed an Imperial World (i.e. Ziost) with his powers. He is mind-bogglingly potent and powerful.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vitiate can use any offensive ability in a confrontation. His actions aren't dictated in a versus scenario or are they?
Yeah but why would he waste time attacking with drain instead of unleashing a more potent attack right away? In your scenario, he gives the team a huge advantage.
Vitiate single-handedly eliminated 9 members of the Dark Council during the era of Revan as well. On-screen demonstrations are difficult to evaluate because they don't reveal exertion levels involved. Revelations in the lore are most important because they are good at elaborating the internal mechanics of an event.Star Wars: The Old Republic: Encyclopedia reveals that Vitiate 'easily' defeated the Jedi Strike Team led by Master Braga on his space station. On-screen depiction of this event may give the vibe of a struggle on both sides, which is misleading.
Do also keep in mind that Vitiate soloed an Imperial World with his powers. He is mind-bogglingly potent and powerful.
But he wasn't powerful enough to toy with Revan even though he was stronger than he was when the first DC Purge happened. Someone who one-shots an entire DC should be able to toy with Revan as long as he/she wants. Vitiate is probably strong enough to solo a DC but one-shoting them is just pushing it.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
@Jmanghan: I have a feeling you didn't play KotOR 2 at all. Holy shit.Vrook: "When you returned to us, we saw what had happened. You carry all those deaths at Malachor within you, and it has left a hole, a hunger that cannot be filled."
Kavar: "In you, we saw a wound in the Force."
Zez-Kai Ell: "In you, we saw the end of the Force."
Exile: "But... that makes no sense. I can feel the Force again."
Vrook: "Yes.. you can feel the Force, but you cannot feel yourself. You are a cipher, forming bonds, leeching the life of others, siphoning their wills and dominating them. It is the teaching of these new Sith, to feed on others, on other Force Sensitives. They are symptomatic of the wound in the Force. You are a breach that must be closed. You transmit your pain, your suffering through the Force. Within you, we see something worse than merely the teaching of the Sith. What you carry may mean the death of the Force... and the death of the Jedi."
Exile: "But I can feel Force, strongly."
Vrook: "So you think. It is not the strength of a Jedi you feel."
Zez-Kai Ell: "He's right. It's... all the deaths you've caused to get here. You feed on it, and you grow stronger. You're like Malachor... it's in you, it's what you are now. You must have noticed as you've fought across all these planets, killing hundreds, only to grow more and more powerful. Why do you think that was?"
Kavar: "But what's worse is that bonding you have - it hasn't gone away. It's gotten stronger, and the more attachments you form, the more you draw others to you."
Vrook: "And that is why you are a threat to us all. [...] But it is of no consequence. Your ability to make such connections, such bonds so easily are why you cannot remain."
I forgot all about this excerpt. I remember laughing my ass off about it.
Exile: I can feel the Force.
Vrook: Yes, but you can't feel... Yourself? Does that sound deep and philosophical?
Exile: Yeah but who cares about that when I can feel the Force.
Vrook: No you can't feel the Force.
Exile: But you just said...
Vrook: Cipher exigency illustrious loquacious bond symptomatic derivative wound. QED.
Exile: I feel like you got drunk last night, cracked open a couple of fortune cookies and threw in buzz words from your word of the day calendar and tried to cobble together a decent speech.
What great writing!
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I forgot all about this excerpt. I remember laughing my ass off about it.Exile: I can feel the Force.
Vrook: Yes, but you can't feel... Yourself? Does that sound deep and philosophical?
Exile: Yeah but who cares about that when I can feel the Force.
Vrook: No you can't feel the Force.
Exile: But you just said...
Vrook: Cipher exigency illustrious loquacious bond symptomatic derivative wound. QED.
Exile: I feel like you got drunk last night, cracked open a couple of fortune cookies and threw in buzz words from your word of the day calendar and tried to cobble together a decent speech.What great writing!
The Traya version is fantastic though.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I forgot all about this excerpt. I remember laughing my ass off about it.Exile: I can feel the Force.
Vrook: Yes, but you can't feel... Yourself? Does that sound deep and philosophical?
Exile: Yeah but who cares about that when I can feel the Force.
Vrook: No you can't feel the Force.
Exile: But you just said...
Vrook: Cipher exigency illustrious loquacious bond symptomatic derivative wound. QED.
Exile: I feel like you got drunk last night, cracked open a couple of fortune cookies and threw in buzz words from your word of the day calendar and tried to cobble together a decent speech.What great writing!
Originally posted by Sinious
Yeah but why would he waste time attacking with drain instead of unleashing a more potent attack right away? In your scenario, he gives the team a huge advantage.
Originally posted by Sinious
But he wasn't powerful enough to toy with Revan even though he was stronger than he was when the first DC Purge happened. Someone who one-shots an entire DC should be able to toy with Revan as long as he/she wants. Vitiate is probably strong enough to solo a DC but one-shoting them is just pushing it.
It is also likely that Vitiate regarded the Dark Council based Strike Team as a much greater threat then Revan and subjected the Strike Team to one of his most potent powers from afar in an attempt to overwhelm it swiftly before it would approach striking distance. 11 members of the Dark Council perished on the spot but 1 survived. Though Vitiate tortured the survivor to death.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm not making an argument. I'm saying he goes from saying she can feel the Force to saying not really 30 seconds later.It's symptomatic of bad writing tbh.
See what I did there??
Uh, no. The fact is that she can feel the Force, but not really. What he says is completely accurate, dipshit. You're just misreading things, he never says she can't feel the Force he says she cam but through an unnatural way.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vitiate have the potential to perform incredibly complex actions with his Force abilities. Simply put, he can multi-task with his Force abilities.Vitiate could one-shot Revan too. But this was boring for storytelling.
It is also likely that Vitiate regarded the Dark Council based Strike Team as a much greater threat then Revan and subjected the Strike Team to one of his most potent powers from afar in an attempt to overwhelm it swiftly before it would approach striking distance. 11 members of the Dark Council perished on the spot but 1 survived. Though Vitiate tortured the survivor to death.
Vitiate did one-shot Revan when he took him more seriously.
However, he still failed to toy with him. If he was actually this uber godlike entity that one-shots entire Dark Councils, he would've been able to take care of Revan with his lightning bursts or be able to keep the fight going as much as he wanted to without getting hurt.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Uh, no. The fact is that she can feel the Force, but not really. What he says is completely accurate, dipshit. You're just misreading things, he never says she can't feel the Force he says she cam but through an unnatural way.
Vrook: You can feel the Force.
Exile: I can feel the Force.
Vrook: So you think.
Pretty clear contradiction and pretty weak writing. Perhaps if Vrook experienced some sort of epiphany between now and then... But he didn't. It's just weak writing masquerading as deep and thought provoking because the voice actors spoke in sepulchral tones and Avellone is deft with a thesaurus. 😬
Speaking of unnatural, I see you're still upset. A rather long period, it seems. You should seriously change that avatar to the one I suggested. 😉