Originally posted by golem370
then why not banned that feat of Superman doing that?
You misunderstand rivv's post.
He said that Firelord being beaten is more likely, because it has actually happened. Probability, 1.
Whereas Superman hasn't ACTUALLY benched Earth. He's benched the EQUIVALENT of Earth. So probability, 0.99. Incredibly likely, and for all intents and purposes, probability = 1, but for the purposes of this thread, is edged out by something that has actually happened.
Originally posted by abhilegend
And Superman bench pressing didn't? Even though it was referenced several times and Superman actually has a better strength feat than it?LMAO
Exactly, it didn't happen. Nitpicking semantics here, but if you read OP carefully, he asks which is more likely. Superman never actually benched the Earth itself - he benched the equivalent mass, sure, but he never actually laid hands on DCnU Earth itself, got under it in a benchpress position, and pressed.
So to answer golem, one of them actually happened, and the other didn't. So probability 1, vs probability 0.99 (you can have 99 recurring, if you want).
Originally posted by abhilegend
And FTR, spidey didn't beat firelord in h2h. He first exhausted him with several big explosions and a merry go round across the city.It didn't happen in a slugfest, y'know.
Well, the slugfest was what put him down in the end, no? The straw that broke the camel's back etc...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You misunderstand rivv's post.He said that Firelord being beaten is more likely, because it has actually happened. Probability, 1.
Whereas Superman hasn't ACTUALLY benched Earth. He's benched the EQUIVALENT of Earth. So probability, 0.99. Incredibly likely, and for all intents and purposes, probability = 1, but for the purposes of this thread, is edged out by something that has actually happened.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So, equivalent to its weight means what exactly? I can lift one kilo of Iron, but I can't lift one kilo of wood?
It's comics. If the writers wanted Superman to bench the equivalent of 1.2 Earth, that would have happened. Five days, a week, two days - all arbitrarily determined for a fictional character.
Equivalent to its weight mean equal to its weight. Nothing more, nothing less. Does not mean he can, although, like I said, probability 0.99999999 recurring. As, until it ACTUALLY happens on panel, we cannot give it a probability of 1, even though for heuristic purposes, we might as well treat it as 1.
Is your desire to see Superman win at everything so strong? You cannot possibly argue that Superman definitely, 100%, no margin of error, Probability = 1, will bench the Earth for a couple of days. Because it hasn't happened. What HAS happened, is Superman benching something that was equivalent to its mass (but NOT the Earth) for five days straight, with no sun. And what HAS happened, is Spiderman landing a punch on Firelord (weakened/tired, OP never specifies) and beating him.
Originally posted by abhilegendI'm not arguing one way or the other but I did want to point out that just because different items have equal weight does not mean you will be able lift those different items with the same ease. Things like bulkiness, object, and shape of rigidness come into play.
So, equivalent to its weight means what exactly? I can lift one kilo of Iron, but I can't lift one kilo of wood?
For instance bench pressing 200 pounds on a normal bar and bench is much easier than trying to bench press a 200 pound log that is 2 foot in diameter.
Originally posted by Newjak
I'm not arguing one way or the other but I did want to point out that just because different items have equal weight does not mean you will be able lift those different items with the same ease. Things like bulkiness, object, and shape of rigidness come into play.For instance bench pressing 200 pounds on a normal bar and bench is much easier than trying to bench press a 200 pound log that is 2 foot in diameter.
Originally posted by abhilegendI said I wasn't arguing one way or the other. Just pointing out a simple mistake on your part. Bench pressing on a machine that gives you a normal bar is drastically different than bench pressing a much bulkier unwieldier item.
You are trying to overcomplicate a simple scene. The same writer had Superman explicitly exceed the power level of earth bench pressing.Now I don't see why We need to analyze whether he can do it again or not when he has already exceeded it.
It does make a difference.
Also most of the CBvF is breaking down simple scenes and going over them with a fine comb thus overcomplicating them.
Originally posted by abhilegend
You are trying to overcomplicate a simple scene. The same writer had Superman explicitly exceed the power level of earth bench pressing.Now I don't see why We need to analyze whether he can do it again or not when he has already exceeded it.
Until it happens, probability is < 1. Y/N?
When it happens, probability = 1. Y/N?
Has it actually happened? No.
Golem only created this thread because he somehow views the two things as equally ridiculous - which I find, in turn, ridiculous itself, for the reasons you have mentioned.
HOWEVER, one has indeed happened in this crazy world of fictional characters. We saw how Beyonders go from one issue of killing the LT, and the next, hundreds fighting Thor/Hype. Anything can happen. That still means that until it happens, the probability is <1....