Originally posted by abhilegendSpiderman DID beat firelord on panel in full view of every person that read that comic. Supermans benching feat was a STATEMENT from a character, he never lifted the earth, he was in a braced position on a machine. Spidermans feat happened, supermans did not. Do you want me to show you statements made about other characters that has not happened and you yourself dismiss because it hurts your outlandish view of superman?
No, it's not. It's comparing a scene which was exceeded by the character and a scene where several other factors dictate the fight.Because OP is butthurt by the first feat for some reason.
I don't know why anyone feels Spider-Man beating Firelord is more likely. Sure, it happened in a comic. Doesn't mean it is more likely, because it was nonsense. What Supes did was not nonsense.
Originally posted by JBL
Did he bench the earth or not? Simple question, simple answer.
Here is the problem with this silly line of thought. You said it was a statement that Superman bench pressed the Earth. Except no, not really, not the way you are trying to make it seem. This wasn't a random dude who said "Superman could probably bench press the planet for days!" this wasn't even a scientist theorizing what Superman was capable of, it was a guy reading stats off a piece of tech made to measure strength.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It IS more likely, because it has actually happened, lol.
But then this isn't Spider-Man you are discussing. It's Spider-Man specifically from whatever comic issue the Firelord thing happened in. Because the character of Spider-Man overall is by no means more likely to beat Firelord.
Just so you are clear, the issue in question? Features quotes like "not even a herald of galactus could survive that!" in reference to an explosion that took out a mere few city blocks. Keep in mind Firelord can fly through stars. Are you sure you want to use this issue as a basis for it being very likely Spider-Man can do this? I'm more likely to win the lottery 20 times in a row.
Originally posted by SurturI dont care what that guy was reading. Superman never benched the earth, he never lifted the earth, the earth never moved, it was a calculation on a machine. There was no statement about spiderman being able to beat firelord, there was no machine and a human calculating his chances, spiderman beat the actual character on panel. Supermans feat did not a thing to the actual earth. What is so hard to understand about that??
I don't know why anyone feels Spider-Man beating Firelord is more likely. Sure, it happened in a comic. Doesn't mean it is more likely, because it was nonsense. What Supes did was not nonsense.Here is the problem with this silly line of thought. You said it was a statement that Superman bench pressed the Earth. Except no, not really, not the way you are trying to make it seem. This wasn't a random dude who said "Superman could probably bench press the planet for days!" this wasn't even a scientist theorizing what Superman was capable of, it was a guy reading stats off a piece of tech made to measure strength.
Originally posted by JBL
I dont care what that guy was reading. Superman never benched the earth, he never lifted the earth, the earth never moved, it was a calculation on a machine. There was no statement about spiderman being able to beat firelord, there was no machine and a human calculating his chances, spiderman beat the actual character on panel. Supermans feat did not a thing to the actual earth. What is so hard to understand about that??
None of what you just said means Supes couldn't bench press the Earth. So sure, if you are merely arguing we never actually saw him on panel do it, you'd be right and I'd apologize for calling your line of thought silly.
If you're using this to imply he couldn't lift a weight equivalent to the Earth or something..that is a problem.
Which one seems more likely
Originally posted by golem370Superman has shown he has the strength to easily move earthweight. Actually moving the planet itself would require some sort of compensation for tidal forces, so the planet doesn't break apart, as well as a gargantuan platform to push against. Ergo, I see Superman visiting Space Depot (ie, where he gets those planet-towing chains from) for supplies to reinforce Earth's structure. If the feat still proves tough, it isn't due to lack of superstrength but lack of planetary structural integrity. But essentially: prep the planet and Supes will move it.
Superman bench pressing earth for a couple daysvs
Spider-Man beating Firelord in hand to hand combat
Spider-Man beat Firelord but definitely not through h2h. At best, Spider-Man won through tactics (eg, using the environment); at worst, he won via PIS. A direct h2h confrontation between the two would otherwise leave one fried spider.
Ergo, imo, Superman's feat is more likely.
Originally posted by Surtur
But then this isn't Spider-Man you are discussing. It's Spider-Man specifically from whatever comic issue the Firelord thing happened in. Because the character of Spider-Man overall is by no means more likely to beat Firelord.Just so you are clear, the issue in question? Features quotes like "not even a herald of galactus could survive that!" in reference to an explosion that took out a mere few city blocks. Keep in mind Firelord can fly through stars. Are you sure you want to use this issue as a basis for it being very likely Spider-Man can do this? I'm more likely to win the lottery 20 times in a row.
I've got the issue in question on my desk now. Where he has actually done it.
Have you got 20 winning lottery tickets?