Originally posted by bbrem123
Yea I hear what you're saying.I feel like the crap animation takes away from everything. Including the story.
They fixed the animation though. You all probably need to rewatch the episodes. The story telling isn't spectacular but it has gotten a thousand time better since the tourney. They are doing a great job now.
Originally posted by Galan007
That's the difference between you and I, carver. I have never cared about the Z Fighters racking up high-end feats so that I can debate them against characters from Marvel and DC on internet battleboards. I much prefer quality above all else--that's why I enjoyed the franchise so much more before DBS entered the fray. Akira has sacrificed quality in favor of hyper-inflating powers nowadays. It's a shame, really.That being said, BoG and RoF(the original films, not the revamps featured in the show) were very enjoyable for me... Really liked them overall. As with most things in the current franchise, however, the 'retellings' featured in DBS ruined them for me. 😘
Not for debating reasons...it's for us to know their true potential. Kinda like Frieza...how can a planetary being (if that's all he is) be a Universal conqueror? Doesn't make sense. Goku saying that if he doesn't stop Frieza, the Universe is destroyed (Namek saga). I just don't think someone that has only planetary level power can conquer an entire Universe. That's just my take on it.
Originally posted by Galan007I just didnt watch them. I started watching when this tournament started. For the most part I enjoyed it. Reminds me of the world martial arts tournaments from dragonball.
That's the difference between you and I, carver. I have never cared about the Z Fighters racking up high-end feats so that I can debate them against characters from Marvel and DC on internet battleboards. I much prefer quality above all else--that's why I enjoyed the franchise so much more before DBS entered the fray. Akira has sacrificed quality in favor of hyper-inflating powers nowadays. It's a shame, really.That being said, BoG and RoF(the original films, not the revamps featured in the show) were very enjoyable for me... Really liked them overall. As with most things in the current franchise, however, the 'retellings' featured in DBS ruined them for me. 😘
Originally posted by carver9
Not for debating reasons...it's for us to know their true potential. Kinda like Frieza...how can a planetary being (if that's all he is) be a Universal conqueror? Doesn't make sense. Goku saying that if he doesn't stop Frieza, the Universe is destroyed (Namek saga). I just don't think someone that has only planetary level power can conquer an entire Universe. That's just my take on it.
Stop being stupid for one second bro. You don't need X amount of power to be a Universal threat.
Also, Goku never meant that the Universe would be destroyed literally if he didn't stop Frieza. He meant that unopposed, Frieeza would have conquered the whole Universe. As you know, prior to Goku achieving SSJ, no one came even close to Frieeza in power levels.
Maybe his father.
Originally posted by carver9
Think about it for a bit. The fts were/are needed. People would not accept how powerful dB characters were and they were limited to planetary level, at their max. I'm not primarily watching the show because of the but I am not shy of them getting what they deserve either. DB is by far the most lowballed, underrated show/characterization on any site. I see no take aways from what has been displayed and they need more showings on top of this until it dings in people skull.
You do know in the Anime world, DBZ doesn't even ranked in the top 100 of hax and overall power verse right?
But it sure as hell get wanked to untold level from guys like you.
Originally posted by Galan007
In terms of overall quality, it IS terrible when compared to DB and DBZ, imo. That doesn't mean a few episodes haven't been good, I'm just talking about the series as a whole.That said, I hear it has been a little better these past few episodes. I genuinely hope it keeps in that direction. I want to like the show--I really do. I have just been thoroughly disappointed with most of the episodes I've tried to watch since the BoG-era, and that has made me lose most of my faith in Akira.
I was on the same boat, it was borderline retarded up until about...probably Goku vs Frost. Then the quality became substantially better, for me anyway. Hit vs Vegeta and Hit vs Goku was on par with the old days.
Originally posted by bbrem123
Looks like Goku has more raw power.Also seemed like champs was afraid of Goku and Hit.
I think Goku has more raw power than Hit, and Champa wasn't afraid of Hit or Goku at all (it was just like, show them more respect)... I don't think Champa would have any trouble destroying Hit, if not interfered by those three.
If Champa or Beerus would have gone all out, Goku and Hit wouldn't look much anymore.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Well, I mean, he doesn't need to be able to bust the universe to conquer it. That's basically the same as saying Hitler has to be a continent buster to conquer Europe. Lol.
Agreed.
LoL. Never change Carvster.
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Animation is still really, really bad. Don't kid yourselves. Story is all right for dragonball. A lot of deja vu but it shows promise. I just wish they get their shit together animation-wise.
Maybe I've been spoiled by the OPM and Fate Stay Nights of the anime world.
If its budget they need to rethink how they manage it and save it for the fights
Originally posted by Inedian
I think Goku has more raw power than Hit, and Champa wasn't afraid of Hit or Goku at all (it was just like, show them more respect)... I don't think Champa would have any trouble destroying Hit, if not interfered by those three.If Champa or Beerus would have gone all out, Goku and Hit wouldn't look much anymore.
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Originally posted by NewGuy01
Well, I mean, he doesn't need to be able to bust the universe to conquer it. That's basically the same as saying Hitler has to be a continent buster to conquer Europe. Lol.
A Universe is vast...that's the difference. A planet is understandable. Solar system and Galaxy is understandable but an entire universe...think about the size and compare it to a being that can only bust planets. No, just no. Especially someone that has been said as not being able to achieve light speed and pretty much doing all of his work from a ship.
Originally posted by carver9When he controls a empire that actively seeks out and destroys civilization or has them join his army then yea he doesn't need to even be a planet buster. Not when the strongest and most ruthless people in the universe are under him and he is the top of the food chain up until ssj hax mode
A Universe is vast...that's the difference. A planet is understandable. Solar system and Galaxy is understandable but an entire universe...think about the size and compare it to a being that can only bust planets. No, just no. Especially someone that has been said as not being able to achieve light speed and pretty much doing all of his work from a ship.
Originally posted by KentoExactly.
When he controls a empire that actively seeks out and destroys civilization or has them join his army then yea he doesn't need to even be a planet buster. Not when the strongest and most ruthless people in the universe are under him and he is the top of the food chain up until ssj hax mode
Excluding Gods, Freeza was by FAR the most powerful being actively roaming the universe, until Goku unlocked SSJ on Namek. Prior to that, Freeza's next closest rival was Ginyu... And even BASE Freeza was still ~4x more powerful than him.
So yeah, when you're THAT far beyond everyone in the universe, I'd imagine they would all just kind of fall in line naturally. /shrug
It's rather strange how there are so many powerful beings in Universe 6 compared to Universe 7, though.
I mean, sure, they have Botamo--he's more or less the Majin Boo equivalent. That's fair enough.
But then you have Frost, who is so much stronger than Frieza was before RoF. Admittedly though, after RoF he's far stronger than Frost, so let that slide.
Then you have Cabba and Magetta, who are both opponents with power far in excess of Super Boohan? And then Hit who was basically born sub-god tier? That would be more reasonable if Monaka were legit, but no.
Originally posted by NewGuy01That's one of the problems with Akira inflating the powers of DB so dramatically. He basically had to make universe 6 retardedly powerful, otherwise this Tournament would have been hilariously lopsided.
It's rather strange how there are so many powerful beings in Universe 6 compared to Universe 7, though.I mean, sure, they have Botamo--he's more or less the Majin Boo equivalent. That's fair enough.
But then you have Frost, who is so much stronger than Frieza was before RoF. Admittedly though, after RoF he's far stronger than Frost, so let that slide.
Then you have Cabba and Magetta, who are both opponents with power far in excess of Super Boohan? And then Hit who was basically born sub-god tier? That would be more reasonable if Monaka were legit, but no.
Think about it though. There's 12 universes, there at least had to be beings out there that were more powerful than a Super Saiyan AND Buu. Kind of like Whis and Beerus, we know they are the epitome of power but I'm sure there are beings far more powerful than them that they report too (and we've met these beings in the previous episode).