Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

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Originally posted by vansonbee
Would be an awesome fan service and does anyone remember the fat version of Beerus, where is he going to make an appearances? Any guess?
Champa and his female counterpart will likely appear after DBS has retold the events of RoF--as that is when Goku(and co.) will travel to Universe-6 in search of the "Super" Dragon Balls. IOW, we probably won't see him for a while.

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Also, the title of Episode 9 has been revealed:

Dragon Ball Super Episode 009 (Air Date: 06 September 2015)
"Sorry About the Wait, Beerus-sama -- Finally, Super Saiyan God is Born!"

...So we still have 3 Episodes until Goku unlocks SSJG.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Just because a planet was all that exploded, doesn't mean that the blast was only one with planet capacity.

We see even universe busting attacks in DBZ/S not affect the environment of the planet they're on, when they can kill people with durabilities that surpass even galaxy level.

It's just ki control. The Z-fighters have made this a point from early Dragon Ball. That's the reason that Goku can shoot a kamehameha wave at the ground without doing any damage to it, when the same, weaker, blast from Roshi blew up the moon. The Z-fighters focus on destroying their enemies, not the planet around them. It has been a huge plot-point, since even the Frieza saga, that the Z-fighters, AND THE BAD GUY'S, have to try NOT to destroy the planet with every attack. And it's mostly because the bad guys want a good fight, or to prove they're better than everyone else.

Or it simply could have been the same reason that Sorbet's ring blast punched a hole through SSJGSSJ Goku. The Saiyan's can get caught off-gaurd, if they're being too cocky in a fight.

Stop.

Now.

There isn't a single person in DBZ with 'galaxy' level durability thus far. And there is not a single 'universe' busting attack in Dragon Ball history thus far.

Even as late as Buu saga, SSJ3 Goku only would have had the power to destroy the Earth maybe 80 times over, according to the kili system. (300 to destroy a planet, SSJ Goku's was stated to be 3,000, which would subsequently put SSJ3 at 24,000). And we know the kili system is a linear scale and not a logarithmic one because Dabura states his kili rating to be well over 4,000 at one point.

I gave several examples of this, but all the way back in Dragon Ball, they established ki resistance and physical durability to not be equivalent or in proportion. That's why they can hurt each other with punches and kicks despite Base Saiyan strength still not being above 500x Earth's gravity even as late as the Buu saga.

Again, Frieza survived a planet exploding. But at no point did he feel the full brunt of that planet exploding. He couldn't have, because he was too small to get the effect of the entire surface of the explosion. And he was nowhere near the epicenter of it. He only got a small cross-section of it. Seeing as entire chunks of land with Namekian huts and some charred trees still survived, the PSI of that explosion couldn't have been that great.

Originally posted by bbrem123
Beerus stats that it was a good tactic by Frieza because his race can survive in the vacuum of space. Which means his foes can not? Pretty straight forward if you ask me.

Again, how can you survive a planet exploding, but can't tank the vacuum of space? That would be a very backwards durability.

And it can't be the lack of oxygen, because Vegeta died too quick for that. And it can't be mere exposure to a vacuum as Goku tanked that easily during his fight with Beerus.

It's a pretty bad feat anyway you slice it relative to expectations. And we still don't know if Frieza lived or not conclusively. Their speculation is a weird contradiction unless you consider other factors that could have killed Vegeta, that Frieza could have survived.

Regardless, they were at the surface of the planet (and not the epicenter) and it wasn't even a very thorough explosion from the planet either, since many large chunks of Earth still remained. Kid Buu's destruction of Earth left practically nothing, in comparison.

Go by what was said in the actual film. Stop assuming what happened

Here is what happens to somebody in the vacuum of space
http://listverse.com/2013/07/06/10-things-that-happen-to-an-exposed-human-in-space/

Considering how quickly everyone died and that there was no trace of Buu, someone we know that can survive space, makes it a poor showing: something I hope Super explains.

Where things stand now someone like Cell could kill SSJG Goku/Vegeta.

4th form Freeza was still more powerful than anyone we've ever seen in Z, aside from the Gods. That said, it is entirely possible that the energy he discharged into the Earth's core ultimately resulted in a >>>> planetary detonation. After all, when the Earth is about to detonate, even Beerus seems very eager for Whis to erect a shield around them, as he exclaims: "Whis, quickly!!"

Regardless, given how powerful Freeza was, I certainly don't think it is a poor showing for anyone involved. The only inconsistent part is Goku/Vegeta not being able to 'breath' in space, considering that Goku was able to in the last film. However, if DBS depicts Goku/Beerus fighting and talking in space again, then the showing in RoF will become the exception, not the rule.

Originally posted by Galan007
4th form Freeza was still more powerful than anyone we've ever seen in Z, aside from the Gods. That said, it is entirely possible that the energy he discharged into the Earth's core ultimately resulted in a >>>> planetary detonation. After all, when the Earth is about to detonate, even Beerus seems very eager for Whis to erect a shield around them, as he exclaims: "Whis, quickly!!"

Regardless, given how powerful Freeza was, I certainly don't think it is a poor showing for anyone involved. The only inconsistent part is Goku/Vegeta not being able to 'breath' in space, considering that SSJG Goku was able to in the last film. However, if DBS depicts Goku/Beerus fighting/talking in space again, then the showing in RoF will become the exception, not the rule.

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Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Just because a planet was all that exploded, doesn't mean that the blast was only one with planet capacity.

We see even universe busting attacks in DBZ/S not affect the environment of the planet they're on, when they can kill people with durabilities that surpass even galaxy level.

It's just ki control. The Z-fighters have made this a point from early Dragon Ball. That's the reason that Goku can shoot a kamehameha wave at the ground without doing any damage to it, when the same, weaker, blast from Roshi blew up the moon. The Z-fighters focus on destroying their enemies, not the planet around them. It has been a huge plot-point, since even the Frieza saga, that the Z-fighters, AND THE BAD GUY'S, have to try NOT to destroy the planet with every attack. And it's mostly because the bad guys want a good fight, or to prove they're better than everyone else.

Or it simply could have been the same reason that Sorbet's ring blast punched a hole through SSJGSSJ Goku. The Saiyan's can get caught off-gaurd, if they're being too cocky in a fight.

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Originally posted by CosmicComet
Again, how can you survive a planet exploding, but can't tank the vacuum of space? That would be a very backwards durability.

And it can't be the lack of oxygen, because Vegeta died too quick for that. And it can't be mere exposure to a vacuum as Goku tanked that easily during his fight with Beerus.

It's a pretty bad feat anyway you slice it relative to expectations. And we still don't know if Frieza lived or not conclusively. Their speculation is a weird contradiction unless you consider other factors that could have killed Vegeta, that Frieza could have survived.

Regardless, they were at the surface of the planet (and not the epicenter) and it wasn't even a very thorough explosion from the planet either, since many large chunks of Earth still remained. Kid Buu's destruction of Earth left practically nothing, in comparison.

Enjoy the show and stop dissecting the Anime. If you're watching it to find flaws, then you probably want to stick with American comics since those are filled with inconsistencies.

Originally posted by Kento
I am kind of sad that the Vegeta dancing scene was taken out. I was hoping for that. But Vegeta the cook was funny. Mainly because, who would think Vegeta could actually make Earth food. xD And from very, very fresh octopus.

In a way, it does kinda lessen what I'd figured was an intended measure of character development on Vegeta's part--learning to swallow his pride for once for the greater good instead of stubbornly adhere to it at anyone from his own to the world's risk.

That, and this gif

Originally posted by Galan007
4th form Freeza was still more powerful than anyone we've ever seen in Z, aside from the Gods. That said, it is entirely possible that the energy he discharged into the Earth's core ultimately resulted in a >>>> planetary detonation. After all, when the Earth is about to detonate, even Beerus seems very eager for Whis to erect a shield around them, as he exclaims: "Whis, quickly!!"

Regardless, given how powerful Freeza was, I certainly don't think it is a poor showing for anyone involved. The only inconsistent part is Goku/Vegeta not being able to 'breath' in space, considering that Goku was able to in the last film. However, if DBS depicts Goku/Beerus fighting and talking in space again, then the showing in RoF will become the exception, not the rule.


So it would be Frieza's attack that had the power behind it and not the planet's explosion itself. Considering Frieza didn't use a ki blast that was what made me question it. That and there being no trace of people that should have survive the explosion itself at the very least.

If DBS has Goku and Beerus fight in space again I guess I can write this off as a one time deal: it's still a lame weakness to have all things considered. Nonetheless it will have to cover the events of RoF so I'm curious as to how this will be handled.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
So it would be Frieza's attack that had the power behind it and not the planet's explosion itself. Considering Frieza didn't use a ki blast that was what made me question it. That and there being no trace of people that should have survive the explosion itself at the very least.

If DBS has Goku and Beerus fight in space again I guess I can write this off as a one time deal: it's still a lame weakness to have all things considered. Nonetheless it will have to cover the events of RoF so I'm curious as to how this will be handled.

Well, the technique Freeza used to destroy Earth looked to be a kiai. So whatever amount of energy he placed in the kiai would have been shot into the Earth's core. When the core became unstable and the planet detonated, said energy would have been released as well. That's why I don't mind the notion that an unprepared Vegeta(and the others) would have been killed by the blast itself--Freeza had become immensely powerful by then, so it makes sense that he'd pack enough energy in his kiai to kill everyone. /shrug

Yeah, I'm curious how those scenes will be addressed in DBS as well.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Considering how quickly everyone died and that there was no trace of Buu, someone we know that can survive space, makes it a poor showing: something I hope Super explains.

Where things stand now someone like Cell could kill SSJG Goku/Vegeta.

We already know that Buu gets destroyed when he blows up a planet. He may very well have eventually put himself together before Goku went back in time.

Fair enough though its still odd that they couldn't detect Buu even though they were able to back during the Kidd Buu fight: either that or it just wasn't something to mention due to the whole time travel thing.

Originally posted by bbrem123
Go by what was said in the actual film. Stop assuming what happened

Here is what happens to somebody in the vacuum of space
http://listverse.com/2013/07/06/10-things-that-happen-to-an-exposed-human-in-space/

And what was said in the actual film? Nothing I've said contradicted that.

That Vegeta died, for sure. And that was the only hard statement given.

Frieza was speculated to have possibly survived, due to his space able biology, but not stated to outright.

Certainly no one sensed his power level, even Piccolo, despite it having been very easily apparent prior in the film.

That is a very general framework of statements, and is a far-cry from outright saying "Vegeta died in seconds due to lack of oxygen", or "Vegeta died in seconds due to exposure to a vacuum". Toriyama is not that senile to forget what happened one movie ago.

The heat, radiation and/or perhaps sudden huge rush of CO2 bursting his lungs could have killed him, and if Frieza survived, it still would have been chalked up this ability to survive in space.

No contradiction anywhere.

As for your link, that's what a human is subject to, and its something Saiyan's can resist far easier. A planet exploding is far more deadly than being subjected to the vacuum of space, save for space being only a few kelvins in temperature, (which is the opposite effect; super cold instead of super hot). But they won't die in seconds from exposure to that cold or lack of oxygen because they haven't in the very near past. (Going farther back still, Vegeta was on an asteroid with no apparent atmosphere when he turned Super Saiyan the first time.)

Originally posted by Galan007
4th form Freeza was still more powerful than anyone we've ever seen in Z, aside from the Gods. That said, it is entirely possible that the energy he discharged into the Earth's core ultimately resulted in a >>>> planetary detonation. After all, when the Earth is about to detonate, even Beerus seems very eager for Whis to erect a shield around them, as he exclaims: "Whis, quickly!!"

Regardless, given how powerful Freeza was, I certainly don't think it is a poor showing for anyone involved. The only inconsistent part is Goku/Vegeta not being able to 'breath' in space, considering that Goku was able to in the last film. However, if DBS depicts Goku/Beerus fighting and talking in space again, then the showing in RoF will become the exception, not the rule.

The blast itself being above planetary is unlikely, for the sheer fact that Frieza only did one short maneuver, not a continued volley or anything, and yet the planet still took 3 minutes total for the chain reaction and eventual explosion combined. It was basically like Namek all over again, but, 2 minutes quicker.

The planet exploded from the chain reaction. His influence was not there outside of the initial maneuver.

And for me, I did not sense of a tinge of concern from either Whis' or Beerus' voice personally. They seemed pretty laid back. If there was any concern it wasn't for personal safety, but moreso for the people that Beerus guaranteed he'd keep safe.

Originally posted by BloodRawEngine
In a way, it does kinda lessen what I'd figured was an intended measure of character development on Vegeta's part--learning to swallow his pride for once for the greater good instead of stubbornly adhere to it at anyone from his own to the world's risk.

That, and this gif

Vegeta so proud, and arrogant against beings that haven't been seen and can own him yet gets scared easily by legends/beings he has heard of as a kid.

Not true ^

North Kai told him that Beerus defeated Goku in just 2 blows. That is why he is so terrified

Originally posted by CosmicComet
And what was said in the actual film? Nothing I've said contradicted that.

That Vegeta died, for sure. And that was the only hard statement given.

Frieza was speculated to have possibly survived, due to his space able biology, but not stated to outright.

Certainly no one sensed his power level, even Piccolo, despite it having been very easily apparent prior in the film.

That is a very general framework of statements, and is a far-cry from outright saying "Vegeta died in seconds due to lack of oxygen", or "Vegeta died in seconds due to exposure to a vacuum". Toriyama is not that senile to forget what happened one movie ago.

The heat, radiation and/or perhaps sudden huge rush of CO2 bursting his lungs could have killed him, and if Frieza survived, it still would have been chalked up this ability to survive in space.

No contradiction anywhere.

As for your link, that's what a human is subject to, and its something Saiyan's can resist far easier. A planet exploding is far more deadly than being subjected to the vacuum of space, save for space being only a few kelvins in temperature, (which is the opposite effect; super cold instead of super hot). But they won't die in seconds from exposure to that cold or lack of oxygen because they haven't in the very near past. (Going farther back still, Vegeta was on an asteroid with no apparent atmosphere when he turned Super Saiyan the first time.)

That links shows what happens to somebody in space. A Saiyan breathes the same way humans do. Being in space would yield the same result. Hell Goku could hardly hold his breath under water in RoF never mind being in actual space.

http://readms.com/r/dragon_ball_super/003/2902/1

So yeah at this point it is pretty clear that gods like Champ and Beerus are massively faster than light. That feat is crazy.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
http://readms.com/r/dragon_ball_super/003/2902/1

So yeah at this point it is pretty clear that gods like Champ and Beerus are massively faster than light. That feat is crazy.

Ok, this is one of the best speed fts I've seen in my life. That's insane.