Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

The latest ep was a bit slow here and there, but maybe that's cuz that's just the price that comes with trying to adapt three-to-five minute scenes from a movie into half-hour episodes. The problems with the animation from the previous two episodes was all but absent here-I'd say there were some pretty impressive shots in fact), and yeah, I got a laugh or so out of Vegeta taking up cooking. Beerus' portrayal seems a bit less hot-blooded when angry compared to how he is in the movies, particularly with how he handled Buu. While the pacing seems to, again, worry too nuch about adapting five-minute scenes into half-hour episodes, it looks like the next episode is when things are finally gonna kick into gear.

I am kind of sad that the Vegeta dancing scene was taken out. I was hoping for that. But Vegeta the cook was funny. Mainly because, who would think Vegeta could actually make Earth food. xD And from very, very fresh octopus.

Yeah the animation got better. I'm relieved. Looks like they were just saving the budget

The only reason they die from planetary destructions is because they can not breath in space. Whis pretty much confirms this

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
^ For the same reason Gohan didn't run away from Cell. Also we've already covered that they can deflect ki attacks that can destroy planets so why bring that up.

We already knew Frieza can do that. It's everyone else that the issue stems from

Goten and Trunks weren't shown either yet we knew they were there as they were mentioned just as Buu was. Why is this a problem.

So why are you asking me why Goku ran from Buu planetary attack? He ran from it because his Super Saiyan self couldn't stop Kid Buu attack. He could've powered up to Super Saiyan 3 to stop it but let's be real here, would he had the time to do it?

Frieza can do what? The others died because they couldn't breath in space. Frieza lived because he can. Frieza isn't more durable than Vegeta. Question: who is more durable, Final Form Frieza in the movie (not golden Frieza) or God Vegeta? Remember, Frieza was even weakened when the planet exploded, so let me reword my question. Who is more durable, a weakened final form Frieza or a full powered God Vegeta. Frieza survived the planet busting attack...and per your words, Vegeta didn't.

Sigh...I know you're smarter than this. Goten and Trunks can't breath in space. Buu didn't show up throughout the movie. Stop bringing him up.

Originally posted by carver9
So why are you asking me why Goku ran from Buu planetary attack? He ran from it because his Super Saiyan self couldn't stop Kid Buu attack. He could've powered up to Super Saiyan 3 to stop it but let's be real here, would he had the time to do it?

Frieza can do what? The others died because they couldn't breath in space. Frieza lived because he can. Frieza isn't more durable than Vegeta. Question: who is more durable, Final Form Frieza in the movie (not golden Frieza) or God Vegeta? Remember, Frieza was even weakened when the planet exploded, so let me reword my question. Who is more durable, a weakened final form Frieza or a full powered God Vegeta. Frieza survived the planet busting attack...and per your words, Vegeta didn't.

Sigh...I know you're smarter than this. Goten and Trunks can't breath in space. Buu didn't show up throughout the movie. Stop bringing him up.

Whis said Frieza had the ability to survive in space, we already knew that. Regardless of the cause its a low showing which is the why the movie and Super have me questioning DBZ durability

Trunks and Goten weren't in the movie either. Yet we know they were still on Earth just as Buu was.

Originally posted by bbrem123
The only reason they die from planetary destructions is because they can not breath in space. Whis pretty much confirms this

Technically they never confirmed Buu was dead though.

To be honest I think it was a showing of how cocky the saiyans are how it made Vegeta lose a pretty much won fight. It also shows how fast they can be defeated with the weakness of not being able to breath in space. Hell frieza when he blew up planet vegeta could technically beat a SSJG.

Hopefully it gets cleared up in DBS.

Yeah that's kind of what I've been wondering: Goku did loose a pretty good strength feat in DBS afterall. DBS will have to cover this fight at some point so if it can clear up all of this then that would be cool.

Boo was in hibernation during RoF. IOW, his guard was down, which would have left him vulnerable when Earth was destroyed by Freeza.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Because Goku ran from a planet busting attack despite being more powerful than Buu.

Whis said Frieza had the ability to survive in space, we already knew that. Regardless of the cause its a low showing which is the why the movie and Super have me questioning DBZ durability

Trunks and Goten weren't in the movie either. Yet we know they were still on Earth just as Buu was.

Yeah that's a pretty fair assumption. Though the problem is that Buu was also caught in that attack and it gives SSJG Vegeta a pretty bad showing.

Yes, he ran from an attack he wasn't powerful enough to stop. Why stand there and let the planet blow up on you, KNOWING you are going to die in space when he can just teleport somewhere else and fight another time. What would you have done if you were Goku? Think smart, not dumb.

Of course you would question their durability. We discovered a while back that you dislike the characters.

Trunks and Goten died as well since they can not breath in space. Do you have anymore questions?

Originally posted by Galan007
Boo was in hibernation during RoF. IOW, his guard was down, which would have left him vulnerable when Earth was destroyed by Freeza.

Edit:

Originally posted by carver9
Yes, he ran from an attack he wasn't powerful enough to stop. Why stand there and let the planet blow up on you, KNOWING you are going to die in space when he can just teleport somewhere else and fight another time. What would you have done if you were Goku? Think smart, not dumb.

Of course you would question their durability. We discovered a while back that you dislike the characters.

Trunks and Goten died as well since they can not breath in space. Do you have anymore questions?

RoF brought up something that was thought to be settled when Frieza survived Planet Namek's destruction. I'm wondering how Super will handle this.

Do you know that they died specifically from space? It's still a poor showing across the board

To the people thinking that Saiyans can survive in the vacuum of space. When exactly did they gain this ability?

They can't survive space though it initially appeared that SSJG gave some protection against it prior to RoF. Clearly this is not the case.

Originally posted by Astner
To the people thinking that Saiyans can survive in the vacuum of space. When exactly did they gain this ability?

We'll see if DBS still depicts the same.

After checking out the preview for the next episode (7), it looks like Vegeta is powering up from lvl2 to 3.

Would be an awesome fan service and does anyone remember the fat version of Beerus, where is he going to make an appearances? Any guess?

Originally posted by bbrem123
The only reason they die from planetary destructions is because they can not breath in space. Whis pretty much confirms this

Inconclusive at this moment.

Vegeta was confirmed dead within seconds of the planet exploding.

Saiyans can hold their breath far longer than that, we already know this.

Seeing as Goku fought Freeza for 5 minutes in a low oxygen environment. And how they long they have held their breath before underwater.

Whis simply said Frieza possibly survived, we don't know for sure. But Piccolo felt that Frieza was committing a kamikaze attack, and considering how easily they detected Frieza's power level before (hell, even when he first came to Earth as Mecha Frieza they could easily sense him while he was still far out in space), its pretty telling that they couldn't sense him then.

Maybe Vegeta died from the extreme heat of the explosion or extreme radiation (things which Frieza's biology might be better suited to withstand), but
he definitely could not have died from lack of oxygen alone.

They should have no problems tanking the vacuum of space itself, so it would be weird to die suddenly from exposure to that if he can survive a planet exploding. (especially since SSG Goku already fought Beerus on or beyond the 'border' of space and had no problems talking or fighting) So it definitely isn't from exposure to a vacuum, and it can't be due to lack of oxygen alone, seeing as Vegeta declared dead within seconds of the explosion.

(Again, Fat Buu would have died too and he had no problems with space)

As for Frieza surviving Namek? A planet exploded. That's not the same as Frieza feeling the full pressure of a planet exploding. Seeing as huge, huge chunks of Namek were still floating around, some with namekian huts and even trees still relatively in-tact, we can say that they explosion was far less impressive numbers wise than it looked.

The totality of force may have been great as a sum from the whole area of the explosion, but Frieza only felt a cross-section of it equivalent to his body shape basically.

If he was in point blank and center as the explosion went off--or better yet if the explosion went off from inside him, that's the only way we could say he felt all or at least most of the pressure from the explosion. But what he felt was a very, very small percentage.

You're trying to hard. What's up with the same people trying to downplay everything about DBZ? It's ridiculous.

Who's trying to downplay anything? The fact that the Z fighters died at all, and rather quickly, is a bad showing on their part.

Hopefully Super adds on to the aftermath when they get to the RoF events.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Inconclusive at this moment.

Vegeta was confirmed dead within seconds of the planet exploding.

Saiyans can hold their breath far longer than that, we already know this.

Seeing as Goku fought Freeza for 5 minutes in a low oxygen environment. And how they long they have held their breath before underwater.

Whis simply said Frieza possibly survived, we don't know for sure. But Piccolo felt that Frieza was committing a kamikaze attack, and considering how easily they detected Frieza's power level before (hell, even when he first came to Earth as Mecha Frieza they could easily sense him while he was still far out in space), its pretty telling that they couldn't sense him then.

Maybe Vegeta died from the extreme heat of the explosion or extreme radiation (things which Frieza's biology might be better suited to withstand), but
he definitely could not have died from lack of oxygen alone.

They should have no problems tanking the vacuum of space itself, so it would be weird to die suddenly from exposure to that if he can survive a planet exploding. (especially since SSG Goku already fought Beerus on or beyond the 'border' of space and had no problems talking or fighting) So it definitely isn't from exposure to a vacuum, and it can't be due to lack of oxygen alone, seeing as Vegeta declared dead within seconds of the explosion.

(Again, Fat Buu would have died too and he had no problems with space)

As for Frieza surviving Namek? A planet exploded. That's not the same as Frieza feeling the full pressure of a planet exploding. Seeing as huge, huge chunks of Namek were still floating around, some with namekian huts and even trees still relatively in-tact, we can say that they explosion was far less impressive numbers wise than it looked.

The totality of force may have been great as a sum from the whole area of the explosion, but Frieza only felt a cross-section of it equivalent to his body shape basically.

If he was in point blank and center as the explosion went off--or better yet if the explosion went off from inside him, that's the only way we could say he felt all or at least most of the pressure from the explosion. But what he felt was a very, very small percentage.

Just because a planet was all that exploded, doesn't mean that the blast was only one with planet capacity.

We see even universe busting attacks in DBZ/S not affect the environment of the planet they're on, when they can kill people with durabilities that surpass even galaxy level.

It's just ki control. The Z-fighters have made this a point from early Dragon Ball. That's the reason that Goku can shoot a kamehameha wave at the ground without doing any damage to it, when the same, weaker, blast from Roshi blew up the moon. The Z-fighters focus on destroying their enemies, not the planet around them. It has been a huge plot-point, since even the Frieza saga, that the Z-fighters, AND THE BAD GUY'S, have to try NOT to destroy the planet with every attack. And it's mostly because the bad guys want a good fight, or to prove they're better than everyone else.

Or it simply could have been the same reason that Sorbet's ring blast punched a hole through SSJGSSJ Goku. The Saiyan's can get caught off-gaurd, if they're being too cocky in a fight.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Inconclusive at this moment.

Vegeta was confirmed dead within seconds of the planet exploding.

Saiyans can hold their breath far longer than that, we already know this.

Seeing as Goku fought Freeza for 5 minutes in a low oxygen environment. And how they long they have held their breath before underwater.

Whis simply said Frieza possibly survived, we don't know for sure. But Piccolo felt that Frieza was committing a kamikaze attack, and considering how easily they detected Frieza's power level before (hell, even when he first came to Earth as Mecha Frieza they could easily sense him while he was still far out in space), its pretty telling that they couldn't sense him then.

Maybe Vegeta died from the extreme heat of the explosion or extreme radiation (things which Frieza's biology might be better suited to withstand), but
he definitely could not have died from lack of oxygen alone.

They should have no problems tanking the vacuum of space itself, so it would be weird to die suddenly from exposure to that if he can survive a planet exploding. (especially since SSG Goku already fought Beerus on or beyond the 'border' of space and had no problems talking or fighting) So it definitely isn't from exposure to a vacuum, and it can't be due to lack of oxygen alone, seeing as Vegeta declared dead within seconds of the explosion.

(Again, Fat Buu would have died too and he had no problems with space)

As for Frieza surviving Namek? A planet exploded. That's not the same as Frieza feeling the full pressure of a planet exploding. Seeing as huge, huge chunks of Namek were still floating around, some with namekian huts and even trees still relatively in-tact, we can say that they explosion was far less impressive numbers wise than it looked.

The totality of force may have been great as a sum from the whole area of the explosion, but Frieza only felt a cross-section of it equivalent to his body shape basically.

If he was in point blank and center as the explosion went off--or better yet if the explosion went off from inside him, that's the only way we could say he felt all or at least most of the pressure from the explosion. But what he felt was a very, very small percentage.