Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

I'm the one asking the question about DBZ durability in terms of surviving planet explosions, what does this have to do with ki attacks?

Frieza blew up the Earth and people that should be able to deflect planet busting attacks died. Buu blew up the planet and people that can deflect planet busting attacks died. Only 3 characters excluding gods have survived a planet exploding. Oh and if you're arguing that the characters all just die due to a vacuum, then explain how is it that nothing is left in either of those cases.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
I'm the one asking the question about DBZ durability in terms of surviving planet explosions, what does this have to do with ki attacks?

Frieza blew up the Earth and people that should be able to deflect planet busting attacks died. Buu blew up the planet and people that can deflect planet busting attacks died. Only 3 characters excluding gods have survived a planet exploding. Oh and if you're arguing that the characters all just die due to a vacuum, then explain how is it that nothing is left in either of those cases.

Tell me how the Z fighters could've deflected Frieza ground attack?

Buu killed them. BUU killed them. Learn the difference between a Ki attack killing someone and a planet explosion killing someone. You are not making one bit of sense. The case has already been proven that they can withstand planetary attacks. Move on.

If they could survive a planet exploding why would they need to? Which is what I'm arguing. Frieza's attack didn't hit any of the scattered Z-fighter directly yet the planet was still gone with no trace of anyone else besides Frieza.

Buu blew up the planet. We already saw Vegeta deflect a ki blast that would've done the same thing yet despite Goku supposedly having the edge in power, he still had to escape from the Earth's destruction. Using the ki logic, Gohan should've only been killed by the vacuum of space yet we have statements like this: http://www.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball/509/9 http://www.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball/510

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
If they could survive a planet exploding why would they need to? Which is what I'm arguing. Frieza's attack didn't hit any of the scattered Z-fighter directly yet the planet was still gone with no trace of anyone else besides Frieza.

Buu blew up the planet. We already saw Vegeta deflect a ki blast that would've done the same thing yet despite Goku supposedly having the edge in power, he still had to escape from the Earth's destruction. Using the ki logic, Gohan should've only been killed by the vacuum of space yet we have statements like this: http://www.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball/509/9 http://www.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball/510

Ok, this guy obviously doesn't understand logic. I'm going to say this to you one more time, if you do not understand this, then do not respond to me. The scan you posted is BUU THROWING A KI BLAST. GOHAN BEING UNCONCIOUS AND BUU BEING POWERFUL ENOUGH TO KILL HIM IS THE REASON GOHAN DIED. A PLANET DESTRUCTION DIDN'T KILL GOHAN, BUU DID. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A POWERFUL KI BLAST KILLING SOMEONE VS A PLANET DETONATION KILLING A Z FIGHTER. Do not respond to me until you understand this. Buu killed Gohan. Them saying the earth is gone doesn't mean your statement is legit. Just stop.

Its never shown whether or not Buu actually hit Gohan with the attack. Also Buu should be weaker than Goku yet Goku still felt the need to get away from the Earth. Again I'm not arguing ki blast, Buu himself had to regen from dust afterwards, but arguing whether or not Z fighters can survive planets blowing up themselves.

I had already agreed to the vacuum conditions for Vegeta's death in RoF but why wasn't there a trace of anyone else. We know Frieza didn't hit them with an attack hence my whole inquiry on durability that came from DB Super high end feats and RoF showing evidence against it.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Its never shown whether or not Buu actually hit Gohan with the attack. Also Buu should be weaker than Goku yet Goku still felt the need to get away from the Earth. Again I'm not arguing ki blast, Buu himself had to regen from dust afterwards, but arguing whether or not Z fighters can survive planets blowing up themselves.

I had already agreed to the vacuum conditions for Vegeta's death in RoF but why wasn't there a trace of anyone else. We know Frieza didn't hit them with an attack hence my whole inquiry on durability that came from DB Super high end feats and RoF showing evidence against it.

Gohan was right there in the radius of the attack. There was no distance between the two of them. He was right freaking there when the blast went off. Hell, Goku looked right back at them before the attack went off. Why are you trying so hard?

Duuh, Goku admitted he couldn't stop Buu's attack. Why not get off earth from an attack that would kill him. Buu is powerful enough to kill Goku and Goku running from said attack is proof of this.

The planet blew up. The shockwaves from the explosion should knock them far away from the planet's destruction. It's not like anyone scouted for them anyway. The blast was still going on when the Z fighters and Beerus was floating around in space. Whis tells us that the vacuum of space killed them. What more do you need? Stop...trying...so...hard...and....open...those...absent...eyes...of...yours.

Yet we know Goku was stronger than Kid Buu. So why was that attack such a threat to begin with? If he couldn't block does that make the attack beyond Goku's capabilities. Wouldn't that contradict Goku being strogner than Kid Buu?

What is that based on? We know it wasn't a ki attack that killed everyone in RoF hence my question about what exactly did. How do we know all of them died solely due the vacuum? And if the attack itself didn't hit them directly that means either it was space or the planet's explosion. None of this however explains how someone like Buu would be counted among the rabble. So to rephrase my question about durability: I wonder how will Super handle Frieza destroying the Earth and address the destruction once it gets to this point.

Strongly preferring the movie version so far tbh.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Yet we know Goku was stronger than Kid Buu. So why was that attack such a threat to begin with? If he couldn't block does that make the attack beyond Goku's capabilities. Wouldn't that contradict Goku being strogner than Kid Buu?

What is that based on? We know it wasn't a ki attack that killed everyone in RoF hence my question about what exactly did. How do we know all of them died solely due the vacuum? And if the attack itself didn't hit them directly that means either it was space or the planet's explosion. None of this however explains how someone like Buu would be counted among the rabble. So to rephrase my question about durability: I wonder how will Super handle Frieza destroying the Earth and address the destruction once it gets to this point.

Super Saiyan 3 Goku is right, he is more powerful than Kid Buu. I could've swore Goku was super Saiyan one when he got out of Buu. Of course him or Vegeta couldn't stop the attack. Wait, let me guess. You thought Buu was going to wait until Goku powered up to his last transformation before launching his attack. Lol...understandable you owe slick devil you ( 😐 WTF ).

Whis tells us they died due to the vacuum of space. It's not my fault you can't accept. You keep bringing up Buu though, someone who didn't even (iirc) show up in the movie. That's like me saying Superman died when Metropolis blew up even though he wasn't even shown in the book during that scene. Or that's like me saying Zeus got killed when Marvel Earth blew up even though he didn't even show up in the comic.

Who's more durable, Namek saga Frieza or Goku?

If Goku was more powerful than Buu than it shouldn't have made much of a difference.

He says Frieza would have still survived in space which is something we already knew.

It was mentioned that Buu was there both in the movie and proportional manga.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
If Goku was more powerful than Buu than it shouldn't have made much of a difference.

He says Frieza would have still survived in space which is something we already knew.

It was mentioned that Buu was there both in the movie and proportional manga.

So Super Saiyan Goku is more powerful than Kid Buu?

And the Z fighters died due to being in the vacuum of space.

When did Buu show up in the film?

Originally posted by carver9
So Super Saiyan Goku is more powerful than Kid Buu?

And the Z fighters died due to being in the vacuum of space.

When did Buu show up in the film?

According to who? Whis only comments on Frieza surviving.

Buu was mentioned by Gohan in the film and again in the manga when the Z fighters encounter Frieza.

Did anyone ever mention the vacuum killing them? Because it is very strange for it never to be shown or even referenced.

mmm

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Did anyone ever mention the vacuum killing them? Because it is very strange for it never to be shown or even referenced.

mmm

Yeah. Vegeta dying to that blast is so messed up. But it is what it is. I kind of like it though. Serves to ground them a bit.

Anyway....

Amazing episode! It was hilarious, especially Vegeta's expressions. I also prefer Chef Vegeta to Bingo Vegeta. Beerus also comes across as far more intimidating then he ever did in the films. The film's version came across as almost entirely comedic while here he is a very threatening character and there is some actual tension even though we know how it's going to play out.

Also, from the preview of the next episode, it almost appears as if Vegeta may go SSJ3.

Which is why both that instance and Super supplying new feats have me questioning DBZ durability. 18 along with Trunks/Goten, who should be stronger than noob SSJ Goku, also died.

Edit: Yeah apologies for all of this. Though Vegeta might end up going SSJ2 again unless Toriyama decides to just do whatever.

Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
He certainly ran away from that planet busting attacks. This attack in question never hit anyone before detonating.

According to who? Whis only comments on Frieza surviving.

Buu was mentioned by Gohan in the film and again in the manga when the Z fighters encounter Frieza.

Why did he/Goku run away from Buu planetary attack but didn't run from Vegeta Galick gun planetary attack? Think about it.

Yes, he mentioned Frieza surviving due to being able to survive in space. Hint hint.

Buu wasn't shown in the film though. He was not shown. So why would anyone even talk about him surviving the detonation or not?

^ For the same reason Gohan didn't run away from Cell. Also we've already covered that they can deflect ki attacks that can destroy planets so why bring that up.

We already knew Frieza can do that. It's everyone else that the issue stems from

Goten and Trunks weren't shown either yet we knew they were there as they were mentioned just as Buu was. Why is this a problem.

SO the last episode was ok? And not as terrible as Goku vs Bills? I'll watch it now.