Which, by the way, is retarded in of itself. Clearly there is no permanent repercussions to the Saiyans involved by giving each other Super Saiyan God form. Clearly they went out of their way to do it for Vegeta too, even though there was no crisis...
So why the hell doesn't every single Saiyan have SSJG as of RoF?
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Who knows? But SSJ3 Goku was down worse than any of them with a casual flick and chop to the neck.It isn't about the Z fighters being downplayed, their performances against Beerus were too good if anything. It's just that Vegeta was ridiculously powerful in this one; far moreso than pre-God Goku.
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Originally posted by NewGuy01Because it's not supposed to be a permanent form. Goku and Vegeta are freak fighters which is why they could do it. Even prior "all I do is fight" pure sayians couldn't have it forever and died specifically because it ran out.
Which, by the way, is retarded in of itself. Clearly there is no permanent repercussions to the Saiyans involved by giving each other Super Saiyan God form. Clearly they went out of their way to do it for Vegeta too, even though there was no crisis...So why the hell doesn't every single Saiyan have SSJG as of RoF?
We're under the impression if Vegeta did it, that the others tried it too but they were too shitty to absorb it back into themselves. At least that's what I got without looking anything up.
Or no one else care that much about fighting like those two and passed on it.
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeEh?
With the kind of potential saiyans in general tend to have, why would the 'rage boost' only be exclusive to Vegeta? lol Heck, it used to be Gohan's shtick for the longest time.
Its not exclusive to Vegeta. Gohan has made a living out of rage boosts, so yeah. It just looks like its Vegeta's turn lol. But I can see why Vegeta could very well stick to it. The guy has a lot of pent up anger and frustrations. And now he has reasons similar to Goku and Gohan to explode into rage fits without directing his anger into himself. It makes sense to me.
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeExactly. 👆
If an enraged SSJ2 Vegeta could damage Beerus a little, whose to say an angered SSJ3 Gotenks couldn't of done the same after having his mom slapped? Not having him do/attempt anything beyond his base form is just a waste, regardless.And uh, no one was questioning Beerus's ability to beat the Z-fighters at full power. Would've been nice though to see some of them besides Vegeta do a little something to him before that though.
Let me see Beerus own SSJ3 Gotenks. Let me see Beerus own Mystic Gohan one-on-one(instead of slapping him with Boo.) Etc.
Originally posted by bbrem123The word "mutation" is simply how the transformation into a Super Saiyan is described. Take this line from DBS ep. 3, for example:
Also Vegeta's Rage boost was a freak mutation and cant just be thrown around as if anybody could have done the same thing.
Whis: "It seems the Saiyans have learned a technique that causes them to mutate and multiplies their battle power many times over. If I'm not mistaken, they call it 'Super Saiyan'."
IOW, any Saiyan who can transform into a SSJ(and beyond) is undergoing a "mutation", according to Whis.
Originally posted by NewGuy01As AuraAngel mentioned: the SSJG ritual simply requires any 5 beings with Saiyan blood. A specific level of ki isn't a prerequisite(nor does it matter.)
Also, does anyone know how the SSJG transformation is even supposed to work? So, what, 5 Super Saiyans just pour all of their ki into one? If they can transfer Ki on that scale without any new training or practice, why haven't they tried similar tactics before?
Originally posted by Galan007I would like to see that as well. But the fact that he was taken out so easily makes me think there would be no real fight. So what is the point.
Exactly. 👆Let me see Beerus own SSJ3 Gotenks. Let me see Beerus own Mystic Gohan one-on-one(instead of slapping him with Boo.) Etc.
Originally posted by Galan007I seemed a little unique though. imo. The fact that they made him seem like he was going mad and all. Something we have not seen before in a saiyan. But overall yup I agree
The word "mutation" is simply how the transformation into a Super Saiyan is described. Take this line from DBS ep. 3, for example:Whis: "It seems the Saiyans have learned a technique that causes them to [b]mutate
and multiplies their battle power many times over. If I'm not mistaken, they call it 'Super Saiyan'."IOW, any Saiyan who can transform into a SSJ(and beyond) is undergoing a "mutation", according to Whis.
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Originally posted by bbrem123The point would be for us to at least see the Z Fighters try to do their best. Gotenks, for example, holding back 400x power against Beerus is just ridiculous. It tells me that Toriyama wants absolutely nothing to do with him these days, which is a shame.
I would like to see that as well. But the fact that he was taken out so easily makes me think there would be no real fight. So what is the point.
Originally posted by bbrem123It is definitely unique in the fact that Vegeta somehow powered up WAY beyond the confines of SSJ2, without transforming into a higher level of SSJ. However, the simple fact that it was dubbed as a 'mutation' isn't what makes it unique, like carver said.
I seemed a little unique though. imo. The fact that they made him seem like he was going mad and all. Something we have not seen before in a saiyan. But overall yup I agree
Originally posted by Galan007
The point would be for us to at least see the Z Fighters try to do their best. Gotenks, for example, holding back 400x power against Beerus is just ridiculous. It tells me that Toriyama wants absolutely nothing to do with him these days, which is a shame.
Originally posted by Galan007Agreed. Kinda shows how irrelevant the SSJ forms are
It is definitely unique in the fact that Vegeta somehow powered up WAY beyond the confines of SSJ2, without transforming into a higher level of SSJ. However, the simple fact that it was dubbed as a 'mutation' isn't what makes it unique, like carver said.
Originally posted by Galan007
The point would be for us to at least see the Z Fighters try to do their best. Gotenks, for example, holding back 400x power against Beerus is just ridiculous. It tells me that Toriyama wants absolutely nothing to do with him these days, which is a shame.
Totally agree. This last episode felt like a troll fest from beginning to end. I haven't seen anything from Super yet that I preferred to how it was done in the movie.
Originally posted by Galan007To be fair, Gotenks never goes all out at start. And before he could try Beerus took him out. Even in YO, Son Gokou and his friends return we only see Gotenks go super saiyan.
The point would be for us to at least see the Z Fighters try to do their best. Gotenks, for example, holding back 400x power against Beerus is just ridiculous. It tells me that Toriyama wants absolutely nothing to do with him these days, which is a shame..
Originally posted by bbrem123
Yea that is true. That is kinda what I was talking about with the out of character stuff. No reason they should not be go all out against him from what he did to Buu.
Originally posted by JayDaDon👆
Totally agree. This last episode felt like a troll fest from beginning to end. I haven't seen anything from Super yet that I preferred to how it was done in the movie.
As for Gohan: at least in BoG he was able to sneak up on Beerus and briefly put him in a hold, before he was owned by a few strikes... Yet all it took in DBS to take Gohan completely out of commission was Beerus slapping him with Boo. It's sad.
Again, I have no problem with Beerus owning them easily--but there's just no need to go out of your way to take a steaming shit on them, like Toriyama has done. srsly
Originally posted by KentoYeah, and he didn't even go SSJ here... Which is even more ridiculous.
To be fair, Gotenks never goes all out at start. And before he could try Beerus took him out. Even in YO, Son Gokou and his friends return we only see Gotenks go super saiyan.