Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

Vegeta actually trained during the time Grand priest was putting together the stadium. We seen improvements as well after his training. I'm sure at this point Vegeta is stronger.

Originally posted by carver9
Vegeta actually trained during the time Grand priest was putting together the stadium. We seen improvements as well after his training. I'm sure at this point Vegeta is stronger.

He isnt stronger then Goku.

Originally posted by cdtm
Goku didn't use the Super Kaio-Ken when they stalemated.

Thats my point. Thats his trump card.

Originally posted by carver9
Or Frieza would train and become just as powerful.

Honestly I think that level of power(as well as Angelic powers) should not be attainable through training. I know that is the DB way, but I would welcome a hard limit on that premise. Frieza pulling a Doom would be fantastic.

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Wonder why Vegeta wants the dragonballs.... is he already thinking about bringing everyone back? If so he the fkn real hero.

Angelic powers cannot be reached through training. They are created and given by Zeno.

That would be cool. I would also like to see Goku wish Freeza back with a good heart.

Go Frieza.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Honestly I think that level of power(as well as Angelic powers) should not be attainable through training. I know that is the DB way, but I would welcome a hard limit on that premise. Frieza pulling a Doom would be fantastic.

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Wonder why Vegeta wants the dragonballs.... is he already thinking about bringing everyone back? If so he the fkn real hero.

Originally posted by Sable
Angelic powers cannot be reached through training. They are created and given by Zeno.

This is factually incorrect.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
This is factually incorrect.

Not really, the angels are a specific type of being, all inhertiting the same properties, makeup and powers. However there still is a heirarchy and some are more powerful then others.

Vegeta is stronger than Freeza, not to mention Goku. Gohan will soon go beyond Freeza.

Originally posted by Inedian
Vegeta is stronger than Freeza, not to mention Goku. Gohan will soon go beyond Freeza.

Vegeta is not stronger then Goku or Freeza

Originally posted by Sable
Vegeta is not stronger then Goku or Freeza

Who said being stronger than Goku? I said stronger than Freeza, not to mention Goku (who is much stronger than Freeza)... that is what I meant.

Goku
Vegeta
Freeza
Gohan (soon to be stronger than Freeza)

Originally posted by Sable
Vegeta is not stronger then Goku or Freeza

Originally posted by Inedian
Who said being stronger than Goku? I said stronger than Freeza, not to mention Goku (who is much stronger than Freeza)... that is what I meant.

Goku
Vegeta
Freeza
Gohan (soon to be stronger than Freeza)

We don't know how strong freeza is yet, because we have not seem him use his full power against Goku.

Originally posted by Sable
Not really, the angels are a specific type of being, all inhertiting the same properties, makeup and powers. However there still is a heirarchy and some are more powerful then others.

There is absolutely no evidence suggesting that their powers are granted by Zen-Oh, and in-fact, literally everything implies otherwise. 👆

Do tell what "literally everything" implies he opposite.

Evidence against Zen-Oh creating and empowering the angels:

1. Whis stating that the angels were "sent from another place"

2. Zen-Oh not even knowing who the kaioshin are

3. Zen-Oh possessing childlike ignorance

Evidence in favor of Zen-Oh creating and empowering the angels:

Literally nothing.

Good enough for me, I have not read the magna. It doesn't Makse sense, if there are 12 universes, and Zeno can wipe any of them out, where did they come from?

Well, apparently the angels were sent from "some other place," perhaps there's a higher realm wherein lies some Creator. Zen-Oh having the power to wipe out all the universes doesn't necessarily mean he was responsible for their creation.

What's really telling of Zen-Oh's lack of supremacy are his childlike ignorance/childish tendencies, and the fact that there is a Zen-Oh in each timeline. I suspect even the Omni-King has superiors.

Regardless of evidence for or against certain things, I agree that Zeno's kind of power or the angels' power is not something that should be attained through something as simple as training, otherwise what's the point of having all these deities around or introduced? If any universe 7 guy were to reach like Zeno level, there'd be nothing left to do or accomplish. I get that it's a fanboy wet dream for Frieza or one of the Z-fighters, but even casually surpassing Beerus through training is kinda pushing it for me.

I just don't see the appeal in suddenly devaluing all these newly introduced gods. I hardly count the supreme kai's since they don't really fight so much as they oversee stuff, but the Gods of Destruction should be at a plateau that no mortal can overcome. Rival them, sure, like certain Saiyans or anyone that has God ki, but not outright surpass, but seems that'll be the go-to thing now already for hyping up Jiren or any newly introduced fighter that's strong. Devaluing the gods just for the sake of that hype or whatever is not something I really agree with in terms of writing, but is what it is I guess.

Oh, and yeah. I can see the Omni-King having a superior too. The idea of an OP ignorant child who just wants to be entertained being the end-all-be-all seems kinda silly. Then again, it is Dragon Ball we're talking about.