Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
The SSG healing factor happened in DBS, previously in BoG it was nowhere to be seen; thus, applying the same logic, maybe, by retaining the godly powers, DBS SSGSS Goku will retain such healing factor as well (even if this would contradict the major point of the FnF movie).

Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
Besides, the superiority in power of SSGSS Goku (FnF) over SSG Goku (BoG) was explicitly stated, so it's not a debatable opinion: the same will happen in DBS.
By the end of DBS first apparition SSG Goku's power will be considered child's play.

Toriyama never said Red > Blue as explicitly as that. He said he just thought the color blue didn't exude a sense of raw power the same way the color red did. That doesn't mean the SSJGSSJ form is weaker, especiall considering GOku's base form in Ressurection F is more likely stronger than SSJG was in Battle of Gods considering what little power he lost when returning to base form. If anything, he as talking artistically.

Originally posted by U need Leonard
From what I have researched so far, it appears that the Anime and Manga of this series are separate but equal canons. Akira Toriyama has nearly the exact same credits for both the manga and anime.

He gives his draft of the story to each of the teams and they add the details and bring it to life in their different mediums. He does it for both of them, or from what I've found, he's definitely feeding the story overview to the team behind the manga. I'm sure he's doing the same for Toei, as well. Very similar to the Robert Kirkman and Walking Dead scenario, seems to be a common thing for notable franchises. The manga and anime aren't based on each other, they're based on Toriyama's rough drafts he submits to them, they just have different interpretations of the same basic events. Toriyama also creates the "major characters" as well.

Yea I just read about all of this. Crazy. The anime is actually not canon over the manga. They are equal. I guess you can use both for feats?

Originally posted by bbrem123
Where was this said? I though he was just superior because he has trained and master the power. While the BoG SSJG was a complete noob.

Never said otherwise.
As stated before multiple times, Goku retained the power, then trained and thus became stronger.

- As a transformation, SSG > SSGSS (which is just a Super Saiyan with godly ki)
- In power, Goku SSGSS > Goku SSG

Originally posted by Galan007
No, it's still entirely ambiguous.

It was, but King Kai's worry was pretty explicit about Beerus causing collateral damage from going all out in his fight with Goku.

How much damage, we don't know, but we can safely rule out the Kai's worrying about Beerus slowly and methodically busting planets one at a time like Galactus going.from planet to planet. As opposed to something along the lines of the "Herald my Rage" temper tantrum that washed across several systems..

Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
Never said otherwise.
As stated before multiple times, Goku retained the power, then trained and thus became stronger.

- As a transformation, SSG > SSGSS (which is just a Super Saiyan with godly ki)
- In power, Goku SSGSS > Goku SSG

I do agree with all of this. I just think a trained SSG would be superior. No actual feats or facts to back it just a observation from what I have seen so far.

Im just see what others think of the idea or it is 100% inaccurate.

Originally posted by cdtm
It was, but King Kai's worry was pretty explicit about Beerus causing collateral damage from going all out in his fight with Goku.

How much damage, we don't know, but we can safely rule out the Kai's worrying about Beerus slowly and methodically busting planets one at a time like Galactus going.from planet to planet. As opposed to something along the lines of the "Herald my Rage" temper tantrum that washed across several systems..

Originally posted by bbrem123
Yea I just read about all of this. Crazy. The anime is actually not canon over the manga. They are equal. I guess you can use both for feats?

I do 'think' however, that the manga follows Toriyama's draft much closer since much less happens in the manga. It would be very hard given Toriyama's creative fatigue, to create every single character and write every single line, Toei has to invent a lot of it themselves to make an entire episode. For instance, the episode with the 4 armed creature, I think that was all Toei. It should also be noted that Toriyama has worked with Tayotarou quite a bit before and they seem to know each other on a personal level.

To my recollection regarding manga/anime differences, the only ones I've sen to any outright contradictory level with Super was which planets Beerus and Whis were visiting and whatnot, which can probably just be explained by maybe them visiting the ones shown in both of them, just one medium covering different planets. Any other major differences seemed kinda negligible, or at the least not too out of line with eachother.

What I'm curious of is which between the show/manga or the movies we should take as canon.

The manga cause it is the better between the two.

Of the two media(manga and anime) I think it's quite clear that the anime takes precedence, as THAT is the primary market Toriyama is is using in order to tell his story these days. He is also closely tied to every episode. The manga is a secondary source, as Tori is giving its creators the freedom to do what they want with his rough idea. Aside from that, he pretty much has nothing to do with the manga. As for the films: they have now become a tertiary source, as they are superseded by the aforementioned media.

IOW, if the anime/manga/films line-up for the most part, there's no issue. However, if a case arises in which they contradict one another, the anime's portrayal of said events should be regarded as the most canon happening. I think that is the most logical way to go about this, instead of randomly picking and choosing which feats we want to use for a given character, and which ones we don't. srsly

As for the recent episode: Goku and Beerus have each been holding back considerably up to this point. Next week we should get to see what they are really capable of.

...Oh yeah, and Goku can 'breath' in space just fine in DBS. 🙂

Yeah I'm gonna ignore Galan and cherry-pick like a mother ****er.

😂

Originally posted by BloodRawEngine
To my recollection regarding manga/anime differences, the only ones I've sen to any outright contradictory level with Super was which planets Beerus and Whis were visiting and whatnot, which can probably just be explained by maybe them visiting the ones shown in both of them, just one medium covering different planets. Any other major differences seemed kinda negligible, or at the least not too out of line with eachother.

What I'm curious of is which between the show/manga or the movies we should take as canon.

There really aren't any differences of consequence, it was just something I was curious about should major differences arise. Akira Toriyama has identical credits for both mediums and I had originally assumed the anime was the main canon and Masakazu Katsura was doing whatever he wanted. But as I read now, Toriyama 'is' heavily involved with the manga, he appears to be doing most of the writing.

You know I feel like we're approaching this incorrectly. American comics often have several books for several characters written/drawn by several different people. Normally this doesn't affect manga since manga comes first with the anime as an adaption. Here both works are published side by side, probably to milk the money out of the fans. Toriyama is drawing neither and both works are going through different companies, V Jump and Toei. If there are any serious contradictions of material that put feats into question(I doubt it) then oh well, not like American comics are God's given example of consistent internal logic.

Reminds of Siege with Thor vs Sentry. They showed a specific encounter in Siege and later the fight was depicted to be much different(longer). Which fight was canon with that. Or were both regard as canon?

Is it just me or is this SSG stronger then the movie version. He does not run out of energy and can heal himself, lol..

I love this.

Yea seriously. He looks like the most power SSG so far. I pumped to see what they do with SSGSS

Originally posted by U need Leonard
There really aren't any differences of consequence, it was just something I was curious about should major differences arise. Akira Toriyama has identical credits for both mediums and I had originally assumed the anime was the main canon and Masakazu Katsura was doing whatever he wanted. But as I read now, Toriyama 'is' heavily involved with the manga, he appears to be doing most of the writing.

👆

This is all that's needed. Both the Anime AND the manga are 100% canon.