Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I get Jiren being utterly Supreme, but the idea that he can rival an angel or "rule Marvel and D.C." Sounds slightly far fetched to me.
Goku Blue is most def universal and Jiren treated him like crap. Goku times 20 is far more than that and he got treated like crap against a Jiren that was not even trying. Goku new form shook infinity with his power (Jiren did as well with just a part of his power). Infinity!!! Yes, Jiren kills anyone who face him.
Originally posted by carver9
Goku Blue is most def universal and Jiren treated him like crap. Goku times 20 is far more than that and he got treated like crap against a Jiren that was not even trying. Goku new form shook infinity with his power (Jiren did as well with just a part of his power). Infinity!!! Yes, Jiren kills anyone who face him.
Zen-Oh wouldn't even be supreme in Marvel or D.C., and he can erase Jiren with a thought.
Originally posted by carver9
Vegeta said he couldn't see the movements. When did he see it? There's not one single shed of proof that anyone saw anything minus the Gods and Angels.
There is. Base Vegeta says "I see them with my eyes, but their energy feels unreal" or something along those lines.
Originally posted by carver9
So you think their are beings that can affect an infinite void with their power?
I mean, yes. IG Thanos. Living Tribunal. Molecule Man. Beyonder. Lucifer. Michael. Mxyzptlk. Aztar. Thought Robot. Mandrakk. The First Firmament. The Endless. The list goes on and on.
Hell, beings like Galactus and Odin have random quotes about "affecting the multiverse" with their power. Doesn't mean that Odin and Galactus can actually destroy a Multiverse. Same applies to Jiren. No reason to believe he has any chance against Marvel and D.C. heavyweights if he's not even on par with the angels.
As of right now, I have:
IG Thanos >/= Zen-Oh >>>>>>>>> Jiren > Beerus > Galactus > Odin.
Spoiler:
I'm pretty content with Jiren being able to oneshot an army of Superman, tho
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
There is. Base Vegeta says "I see them with my eyes, but their energy feels unreal" or something along those lines.I mean, yes. IG Thanos. Living Tribunal. Molecule Man. Beyonder. Lucifer. Michael. Mxyzptlk. Aztar. Thought Robot. Mandrakk. The First Firmament. The Endless. The list goes on and on.
Hell, beings like Galactus and Odin have random quotes about "affecting the multiverse" with their power. Doesn't mean that Odin and Galactus can actually destroy a Multiverse. Same applies to Jiren. No reason to believe he has any chance against Marvel and D.C. heavyweights if he's not even on par with the angels.
As of right now, I have:
IG Thanos >/= Zen-Oh >>>>>>>>> Jiren > Beerus > Galactus > Odin.
Spoiler:
I'm pretty content with Jiren being able to oneshot an army of Superman, tho
What does that statement from Vegeta even mean? He admits he couldn't see their movements.
Do you have scans of at least 2 of the people "casually" affecting infinity?
Lol, please show the scans of Galactus and Odin.
IG Thanos would get his glove taken from him as soon as he thought about facing Jiren and then he would get a hole punched clean through his head (and Jiren wouldn't even need to power up to do what I just said).
An the VS discussions begin, the unity we all had that lasted about a page and a half was really nice. It came in here like Goku's new form and brought a new found hope with it, but
Spoiler:. I'm gonna miss it lol.
vanished just as quickly
Really loved the new ending theme too, actually I'm a big fan of all the new songs in these two episodes! Wish we had some names for them, like if there was an updated OST list or something lol.
Carver, thoughts: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=646674
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Originally posted by Estacado
Well from the preview it seems Hit>Goku SSBKKX20.Really pumped for the next fight Im happy if Hit even puts up a fight not expexting him to win at all.
Appears Hit is mixing in time stop plus other techniques against Jiren. Also, doesn't seem like Hit is doing anything to Jiren tbh. It was already mentioned that Goku>>>>Hit.
Here is the preview.
Jiren is destroying him and it doesn't seem like Jiren is fighting anywhere close to the way he was fighting Goku.
Originally posted by carver9I was just pointing out the whole DB is sticking to what it always does... You just skip over the fact I said I loved the episode, and all that i see though. 😕
Explain something to me. Why do you do this? What is your motive? Also, nothing proves anywhere there seen any of the fight.
Uhm.. Because Tien and Roshi and everyone is commenting on how different Goku is moving.... Which implies they even saw it. But most of them were talking about how they couldn't see what happened when Jiren was punching weaker Goku.
Originally posted by carver9😆 except everyone commenting on the fight that was Kaioshins and below.
Vegeta said he couldn't see the movements. When did he see it? There's not one single shed of proof that anyone saw anything minus the Gods and Angels.
Originally posted by carver9Almost EVERY fight has been in the air extended periods of time....despite no flying.
Also, more proof that Goku and Jiren power was above the Gods. They broke the barrier of not being able to fly. Goku during his transformation and Jiren was flying the entire time during their ending scuffle.
Originally posted by Kento
I was just pointing out the whole DB is sticking to what it always does... You just skip over the fact I said I loved the episode, and all that i see though. 😕Uhm.. Because Tien and Roshi and everyone is commenting on how different Goku is moving.... Which implies they even saw it. But most of them were talking about how they couldn't see what happened when Jiren was punching weaker Goku. 😆 except everyone commenting on the fight that was Kaioshins and below. Almost EVERY fight has been in the air extended periods of time....despite no flying.
Lol...of course they are commenting on the fight because Goku closed the gap but they couldn't see anything. During the beginning of Goku transformation, yes, that part was seen but when they upped their attacks, etc... no one seen what was going on. They even commented on it. Them looking in the air doesn't mean they knew what was going on, especially punch for punch.
What fights has been in the air?
Originally posted by carver9
What does that statement from Vegeta even mean? He admits he couldn't see their movements.
Where?
Originally posted by carver9
Do you have scans of at least 2 of the people "casually" affecting infinity?
PR Molecule Man fixes Multiversal Damage that PR Beyonder caused with a thought with just his finger (The Multiverse is "Transinfinite", as in, beyond infinite, so this is affecting something greater than the World of Void (a single infinite plane) and doing way more than just shaking it:
PR Beyonder literally embodies a realm that makes the transfinite Marvel Multiverse seem "microbial" by comparison. Possesses millions of times more energy than all of the combined energy in existence. And as shown above, his thoughts can cause multiversal armageddon:
Thought Robot and Mandrakk are at such a level of reality that Limbo, which is far bigger than the DC Multiverse, is utterly insignificant:
There is absolutely no comparison. Omni King (Who is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jiren) needs to gesture to erase a universe, PR Beyonder can destroy the Multiverse with his thoughts.
Originally posted by carver9
Lol, please show the scans of Galactus and Odin.
Odin and Set's fight was simultaneously being waged on every plane of existence, and was tearing apart the fabric of the Multiverse):
Galactus' fight with Scrier and Other was going to straight up destroy all of Creation:
So yeah, Jiren "shaking the world of void" according to some weaklings isn't enough evidence for me to put him anywhere special. Him being above Beerus is far more pertinent information.
Originally posted by carver9
IG Thanos would get his glove taken from him as soon as he thought about facing Jiren and then he would get a hole punched clean through his head (and Jiren wouldn't even need to power up to do what I just said).
Nope. That literally only happened to Classic IG Thanos when he consciously left his body. Otherwise, the literal concepts of Chaos, Order, Death, and Eternity were unable to "take his glove as soon as he thought about facing them." The Gauntlet gives Thanos complete and utter mastery over Time, Reality, Mind, Soul, Power, and Space. Jiren literally can't even touch Thanos if he doesn't want to be touched.
Oh yeah, Warlock using an incomplete IG, overpowered the Ultimate Nullifier (which can erase universes and even the entire Multiverse, in an instant, Zen-Oh style but on a larger scale,) with a thought.
I respect the Jiren wank, but c'mon. He's not beating Gods amongst Gods if he's not even close to the angels or Daishinkan. 😂