Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

Sure, but this isn't 7 years, and I don't recall it ever being implied that SSJ2 was incredibly difficult to maintain like Mastered SSJB was.

I mean that as a matter of principle, what transformations they have access to isn't the end-all-be-all of how the Z fighters perform. Goku being hurt by random thugs in base was put there to clearly demonstrate that he was out of fighting shape.

Which chapter does that happen? Doesn't Goku train immediately afterward?

It happens in chapter 27, the same day as the exhibition match. After that scuffle with the bandits, Goku goes to Beerus's planet to train, but decides to check with Zen-Oh about the ToP before he actually starts.

When did he get hurt?

In the Manga, it was outright said that Jiren is stronger than the GOD in his universe.

Originally posted by carver9
In the Manga, it was outright said that Jiren is stronger than the GOD in his universe.

Yup and has nothing to do with Quitela. And in manga it looks like Beerus would destroy those other GoDs (no wonder he said to Vegeta he could become a candidate for GoD in other universes), we'll see the anime version where it stands everything.

Nah, not really. Vermod was messing around in the fight. He didn't have a single scratch on his body.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nah, not really. Vermod was messing around in the fight. He didn't have a single scratch on his body.

Yes it is really. They shat their pants, but were saved by Sidra (that was the only time Belmod was attacked by Beerus in that fight, of course he didn't have a stratch, he would have more than a stratch if not for Sidra). The other time was Belmod being incapable of even touching Beerus with help of others and he even attacked him from behind. He was starting to mess around after all of that and was beginning to attack others... of course because he saw he didn't stand a chance against Beerus and better to attack others. Beerus destroys Vermod in manga, for anime we have to see it yet.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I mean that as a matter of principle, what transformations they have access to isn't the end-all-be-all of how the Z fighters perform. Goku being hurt by random thugs in base was put there to clearly demonstrate that he was out of fighting shape.

Yep, and that's why Superman beats him with ease. Superman > random stuff.

Originally posted by Inedian
Yes it is really. They shat their pants, but were saved by Sidra (that was the only time Belmod was attacked by Beerus in that fight, of course he didn't have a stratch, he would have more than a stratch if not for Sidra). The other time was Belmod being incapable of even touching Beerus with help of others and he even attacked him from behind. He was starting to mess around after all of that and was beginning to attack others... of course because he saw he didn't stand a chance against Beerus and better to attack others. Beerus destroys Vermod in manga, for anime we have to see it yet.

They were caught off guard, and Sidra still managed to block Beerus' ki blast with ease. Vermod and even Ramod got their licks in: all of the Gods of Destruction were under siege by Vermod's AOE attack, and Ramod's scream was paralyzing all the Gods of Destruction, Beerus included. The Gods of Destruction kind of just beat the crap out of each other. To imply that Beerus is definitively far above any of the other Gods of Destruction because of a few blows, especially in a battle described as completely unfocused and random, seems like a bit of a stretch. There is nothing you can show that proves Beerus "destroys" Vermod.

Beerus definitely came across as the most impressive of the GoDs IMO. What with him initially taking on most of the others and, in this chapter, being one of the last two standing. I was surprised to see Iwne being comparatively unimpressive though, I figured he would end up being one of if not the strongest.

Beerus, Quitela, and Vermod were definitely the standouts. 👆

Especially Beerus, then Quitela. How many episodes until the end of ToP in anime? Was it anywhere mentioned?

no

The problem with Belmond is that..after one attack on him, he played dead. While the other gods fought.. After the fox attack, you never see him again in the panels fighting until the end.

That's the point. He was planning on staying fresh and taking out the exhausted last guy standing, which probably would have been Beerus.

That's why it's impossible to say where he is in the power scale of Gods.

He's not definitively above or below any of them. Which is why Jiren being confirmed > Vermod is interesting.

So I finally got around to reading the manga. Overall, the fights seem to be better handled. The fights seem to have more unique powers and there are far fewer ass pull powerups like Trunks going SS Rage. The biggest improvement was having the Zero Humans Plan fleshed out. It raised the stakes immensely and explained just what the hell Black and Zamasu were doing on Earth for so long.

Unfortunately, there were some big issues I had with the manga. The Hit fight isn't nearly as great as the one in the anime. It doesn't have nearly the same excitement as when Goku goes Kaioken and the nerfing of SSB was ridiculous and make Vegeta look like an absolute dumbass using it against Cabba. Black was also boring as he wasn't nearly as intriguing or complex as his anime counterpart. Beyond that, and perhaps the worst change to the character, was changing the reason why he stole Goku's body. It wasn't nearly as compelling.

Overall, I'd say the manga is better. But it's close.