That's just it: Goku has always been willing to learn from others, while Vegeta never wants to listen to anyone -- he already thinks he knows it all. That is likely why Goku tends to reach these pinnacles of power before Vegeta. Tbh, that difference alone speaks volumes about their wildly opposite personalities. mmm
On a related note: imagine if Goku had never learned IT..? That technique has become FAR more useful than Toriyama probably ever intended. He uses it all the time now.
It's hard to know if Vegeta would listen, because no one ever offers him anything.
But he uses the hypergravity chamber his wife made, as well as the Room of Spirit and Time.
He also wasn't so proud he didn't seek help from Whis. Bribed her, in fact. (Took initiative, instead of sitting back and getting plot devices like Goku.)
Originally posted by Galan007
You mean when he inextricably became SSB in the time between BoG and RoF? Yeah, definitely.I really hope that's fleshed-out at some point. I mean, Vegeta couldn't even reach SSJ3 on his own, ffs.
I think he is referring to Majin Vegeta.
But yeah Vegeta's modus operandi has always been secret training where he relies on the zenkai boosts. Dude destroys his body and won't talk about the particulars if it can be helped. Whis helped with that.
Originally posted by Galan007
👆I still want to know how he reached SSB, though. ermm
My personal theory is that prolonged exposure to Gods at the level of Beerus or above causes god ki to seep into you. Conveniently ties up a bit of the powerscaling problems too. It's why Toppo is training under Belmond. If being a GoD just necessitated blowing up planets it wouldn't really need much training but maybe he's just becoming accustomed to the godly ki he's receiving and that is the training.
100% not the case but it's how I handwave things for myself.
The look on future Trunks’ face when he got reacquainted with Gohan and had the ice cream with him at that bench is still... priceless. Speaking of, F Trunks probably would’ve been a good asset against Toppo and some of them. Ah well... Him not being brought back one more time to be part of the U7 team was a bigger loss than Buu, tbh.