Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

Originally posted by carver9
Where was it said that Zeno wasn't impressed because of the power the Gods displayed? I need to see this.

Quitela was one of the Gods that ganged up on Beerus and he still stood face to face with him at the end. Beerus is either above all of them or there are some (or all) that are equal to him.

Sigh... so now Champa is the 3rd strongest G.O.D. on the field? This argument is all over the place. Please give a ranking from 1 down to the last God from strongest to least strong and explain your reasoning.

So all of them ARE close in power? Is this what you are implying?

"Your battle is too intense for his majesty to enjoy."

"Hm, who did what now? I don't know."

"We can't see a thing. No, we can't. Everyone is quick and loud...this is boring."

It wasn't because he wasn't impressed by the Gods, it's because they were too powerful for him to comprehend, lol...

Yeah, I agree, an argument could be made that Beerus is even beyond Quitela. We know for a fact that Beerus is beyond some of the Gods due to manga chapter 27, however. Gin even states that Sidra saved him and multiple other Gods of Destruction from being taken out by a single attack from Beerus.

I don't need to make an ordered list of the weakest to strongest Gods to understand that Beerus is clearly the most powerful God of Destruction, perhaps alongside Quitela. That Champa can get into brotherly fights with Beerus doesn't preclude Beerus being beyond Champa. :/

I'm saying that the Gods of Destruction can hurt each other without having any of them being on par with Beerus. Especially in a battle royale with 12 Gods of Destruction.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
😂

Whis literally says that Goku and Vegeta are working so poorly together that it's throwing Jiren off-balance. Whis's statement in the beginning of Super was that they could defeat Beerus if they worked well together. It's a completely and utterly irrelevant comparison.

What's relevant is the fact that SSJB Goku before the tournament could oneshot RoF Goku and Vegeta...and yet is still orders upon orders of magnitude inferior to the Gods of Destruction.

Lol... that's the thing, even if they worked well together, during that era, they couldn't even budge Jiren. He could stand in one spot and let them pound on him ending with nothing happening to him. So them being capable of even being a threat to Beerus explains the difference in power with him vs Jiren.

It isn't inferior though. Goku during his first fight against Hit admitted that he think him going KK times 20 is enough to defeat Beerus. Goku during that time would be nothing to Jiren.

Originally posted by carver9
I want to see how far you all will go with this denying...

Goku power RIVALS the Gods.

YouTube video

Goku power RIVALS the God of Destruction...

YouTube video

I can do this all day and I will get nothing but denial posts.

Are you obtuse?

We know for a FACT based on the manga that Beerus oneshots Mastered Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta, right before the tournament. If you actually think ****ing Super Saiyan 2 Goku rivals Beerus, or that regular SSJB rivals Beerus...I don't know what to say, because it's literally contradicted by manga chapter 27.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... that's the thing, even if they worked well together, during that era, they couldn't even budge Jiren. He could stand in one spot and let them pound on him ending with nothing happening to him. So them being capable of even being a threat to Beerus explains the difference in power with him vs Jiren.

It isn't inferior though. Goku during his first fight against Hit admitted that he think him going KK times 20 is enough to defeat Beerus. Goku during that time would be nothing to Jiren.

Beerus oneshots Mastered Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta, who is so powerful that his equal in MSSJB Goku can stalemate and even hakai Merged Zamasu, who in turn oneshotted regular SSJB Goku and Vegeta combined. Explicit evidence contradicts Whis's statement. Stop being dense.

When the hell does Goku say he thinks KKx20 could beat Beerus? You're making things up now. 🙂

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Are you obtuse?

We know for a FACT based on the manga that Beerus oneshots Mastered Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta, right before the tournament. If you actually think ****ing Super Saiyan 2 Goku rivals Beerus, or that regular SSJB rivals Beerus...I don't know what to say, because it's literally contradicted by manga chapter 27.

Vegeta got right up after Beerus attacked him in Master Super Saiyan Blue form and the issue with our debate is, you keep mentioning Manga showings vs Anime showings. I'm talking about the Anime, you are talking about the manga. The power levels of these characters are obviously different. Zamasu was far more powerful in the Anime than he was in the Manga based off fts. Super Saiyan red Goku is far more powerful in the Anime vs what he is in the Manga. Please stop mentioning Manga when I'm talking about the Anime. We don't even have a clue on how powerful Jiren is in the Manga minus verbiage.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Beerus oneshots Mastered Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta, who is so powerful that his equal in MSSJB Goku can stalemate and even hakai Merged Zamasu, who in turn oneshotted regular SSJB Goku and Vegeta combined. Explicit evidence contradicts Whis's statement. Stop being dense.

When the hell does Goku say he thinks KKx20 could beat Beerus? You're making things up now. 🙂

Read above please. We are either going to discuss the Anime or end this. You keep mentioning Manga scenes when the power levels are different. Super Saiyan Blue KK ×10 in the Manga can stomp manga Jiren. Prove me wrong.

Originally posted by carver9
Vegeta got right up after Beerus attacked him in Master Super Saiyan Blue form and the issue with our debate is, you keep mentioning Manga showings vs Anime showings. I'm talking about the Anime, you are talking about the manga. The power levels of these characters are obviously different. Zamasu was far more powerful in the Anime than he was in the Manga based off fts. Super Saiyan red Goku is far more powerful in the Anime vs what he is in the Manga. Please stop mentioning Manga when I'm talking about the Anime. We don't even have a clue on how powerful Jiren is in the Manga minus verbiage.

"Vegeta got right back up."

Yeah, you didn't read the manga chapter if you don't think Beerus lolgodstomped Vegeta.

Anime only? Okay, you're still being obtuse if you think SSJ2 Goku from the Black Arc can defeat Beerus. Or regular SSJB. If you want to use the U6 tournament, we literally see Hit acknowledge that Zen-Oh's appearance saved him and the U6 team from getting lolstomped by Champa. Beerus acknowledges that he could easily destroy Black and Zamasu despite knowing SSJB Goku and Vegeta were in turn defeated by them.

Oh yeah, and Whis, despite knowing that Jiren is stomping SSJB KKx20 with the spirit bomb and is holding back tremendously, still states that Jiren's power is "in the domain" of the Gods of Destruction, and has "perhaps" surpassed it. The Toei website also states that Jiren's power "is in the domain of the Gods of Destruction."

So yeah, your notion that SSJ2 Goku or SSJB Goku ~ Beerus is complete bullshit. 👆

Also, carver, I love how you backed off from arguing the manga when you figured out you can't make retarded arguments like SSJ2 Goku ~ Beerus. 😂

Also, I'm still waiting for that statement Goku made about being > Beerus in KKx20.

Edit: Manga Jiren would oneshot SSJB KKx10 Goku from the anime, because Mastered SSJB in the manga is the equivalent of Kaioken, and Jiren in the manga is > Belmod, who shits on mastered sssjb goku. The universal feat from BoG is also still in the manga.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
"Vegeta got right back up."

Yeah, you didn't read the manga chapter if you don't think Beerus lolgodstomped Vegeta.

Anime only? Okay, you're still being obtuse if you think SSJ2 Goku from the Black Arc can defeat Beerus. Or regular SSJB. If you want to use the U6 tournament, we literally see Hit acknowledge that Zen-Oh's appearance saved him and the U6 team from getting lolstomped by Champa. Beerus acknowledges that he could easily destroy Black and Zamasu despite knowing SSJB Goku and Vegeta were in turn defeated by them.

Oh yeah, and Whis, despite knowing that Jiren is stomping SSJB KKx20 with the spirit bomb and is holding back tremendously, still states that Jiren's power is "in the domain" of the Gods of Destruction, and has "perhaps" surpassed it. The Toei website also states that Jiren's power "is in the domain of the Gods of Destruction."

So yeah, your notion that SSJ2 Goku or SSJB Goku ~ Beerus is complete bullshit. 👆

Beerus defeated Vegeta but Vegeta got right back up after that attack.

Show me where I said Super Saiyan 2 Goku would beat anyone. I showed you a clip where it said his power RIVALED the Gods. Rival doesn't mean defeat. Beerus knew how powerful Merged Zamasu and Rose Black was? Scan please.

He compared a highly suppressed Jiren power against the Gods and used the word surpassed because he knew Jiren wasn't using his full power.

When did I say Super Saiyan 2 power is above Beerus? Are you reading my sentences? Read them again please because your misinterpreting everything I have said.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Also, carver, I love how you backed off from arguing the manga when you figured out you can't make retarded arguments like SSJ2 Goku ~ Beerus. 😂

Also, I'm still waiting for that statement Goku made about being > Beerus in KKx20.

Edit: Manga Jiren would oneshot SSJB KKx10 Goku from the anime, because Mastered SSJB in the manga is the equivalent of Kaioken, and Jiren in the manga is > Belmod, who shits on mastered sssjb goku. The universal feat from BoG is also still in the manga.

I backed off from the Manga because your entire argument is manga based while I'm talking about the Anime. Why continue that when the power levels are obviously different? Doesn't make sense. It's like me comparing cartoon Hulk vs his comic counterpart.

Went back and re-watched. Goku said that he was saving the KK for Beerus.

So Manga Jiren would one shot mastered Super Saiyan Blue using KK? Why?

The Universe crumbling was mentioned in the Manga when Goku and Beerus clashed?

Originally posted by carver9
Beerus defeated Vegeta but Vegeta got right back up after that attack.

Show me where I said Super Saiyan 2 Goku would beat anyone. I showed you a clip where it said his power RIVALED the Gods. Rival doesn't mean defeat. Beerus knew how powerful Merged Zamasu and Rose Black was? Scan please.

He compared a highly suppressed Jiren power against the Gods and used the word surpassed because he knew Jiren wasn't using his full power.

When did I say Super Saiyan 2 power is above Beerus? Are you reading my sentences? Read them again please because your misinterpreting everything I have said.

Yes, Beerus oneshotted Vegeta into his base form. Vegeta even notes that he is absolutely no match for Beerus, and Beerus notes it's going to take a million years for Vegeta to become his rival, and that Vegeta isn't even a candidate for God of Destruction in universe 7.

You literally posted a video of Gowasu saying Super Saiyan 2 Goku rivalled Beerus as evidence that Goku already rivals or surpasses Beerus. That is legitimately retarded.

Beerus knew that Black and Zamasu beat the shit out of SSJB Goku and Vegeta, and still thought he could "easily" destroy Black and Zamasu.

No, Whis said he knew that Jiren was holding back his power tremendously, which PLAYS INTO his estimation that Jiren's power rivals the Gods of Destruction. The Toei website corroborates the notion that Jiren's power is "in the domain" of the Gods of Destruction.

And it wouldn't even matter, because that suppressed Jiren was still casually stomping SSJB KKx20 anyways. You have no leg to stand on regarding SSJ2/SSJB Goku rivalling Beerus. Give up, lol.

And again, you literally posted a video of Gowasu saying SSJ2 Goku = Beerus, and said:

Originally posted by carver9
Goku power RIVALS the God of Destruction...

lmao.

Originally posted by carver9
I backed off from the Manga because your entire argument is manga based while I'm talking about the Anime. Why continue that when the power levels are obviously different? Doesn't make sense. It's like me comparing cartoon Hulk vs his comic counterpart.

Went back and re-watched. Goku said that he was saving the KK for Beerus.

So Manga Jiren would one shot mastered Super Saiyan Blue using KK? Why?

The Universe crumbling was mentioned in the Manga when Goku and Beerus clashed?

Because the manga and anime power comparisons in terms of character vs. character aren't so tremendously different that Beerus would go from being capable of easily oneshotting SSJB to being far below SSJB. That's silly.

Okay, so an irrelevant statement.

What? Mastered Super Saiyan Blue IS the manga's adaptation of Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken. Goku doesn't have "Mastered Super Saiyan Blue" in the anime.

So again, in the manga, Jiren > Belmod >>> Mastered SSJB Goku ~ Anime Kaioken Goku.

Yes, the universe crumbling was both shown and mentioned. The manga also shows Beerus and Champa casually bringing out universe-busting energies in their fight.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Yes, Beerus oneshotted Vegeta into his base form. Vegeta even notes that he is absolutely no match for Beerus, and Beerus notes it's going to take a million years for Vegeta to become his rival, and that Vegeta isn't even a candidate for God of Destruction in universe 7.

You literally posted a video of Gowasu saying Super Saiyan 2 Goku rivalled Beerus as evidence that Goku already rivals or surpasses Beerus. That is legitimately retarded.

Beerus knew that Black and Zamasu beat the shit out of SSJB Goku and Vegeta, and still thought he could "easily" destroy Black and Zamasu.

No, Whis said he knew that Jiren was holding back his power tremendously, which PLAYS INTO his estimation that Jiren's power rivals the Gods of Destruction. The Toei website corroborates the notion that Jiren's power is "in the domain" of the Gods of Destruction.

And it wouldn't even matter, because that suppressed Jiren was still casually stomping SSJB KKx20 anyways. You have no leg to stand on regarding SSJ2/SSJB Goku rivalling Beerus. Give up, lol.

And again, you literally posted a video of Gowasu saying SSJ2 Goku = Beerus, and said:

lmao.

Not discussing the Manga anymore.

I posted a clip of it saying Goku power rivals the GODS, not Beerus. Ya know, there is more than one G.O.D, right?

Beerus saying something doesn't take away from the fact he had no clue on how powerful Zamasu and Black was. Beerus would never admit someone could defeat him.

Whis said SURPASS the Gods. Whis didn't have a clue on how much Jiren was holding back but we was told later on that he was only using a hint of his power. Whis brought up a statement like this with Jiren only using a hint of his power.

I don't know why you keep saying I put Super Saiyan 2 on Beerus level. Read the sentence again please.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Because the manga and anime power comparisons in terms of character vs. character aren't so tremendously different that Beerus would go from being capable of easily oneshotting SSJB to being far below SSJB. That's silly.

Okay, so an irrelevant statement.

What? Mastered Super Saiyan Blue IS the manga's adaptation of Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken. Goku doesn't have "Mastered Super Saiyan Blue" in the anime.

So again, in the manga, Jiren > Belmod >>> Mastered SSJB Goku ~ Anime Kaioken Goku.

Yes, the universe crumbling was both shown and mentioned. The manga also shows Beerus and Champa casually bringing out universe-busting energies in their fight.

It can't be compared thouth because again, almost every character in the Anime is more powerful than they are depicted in the Manga. Goku got dropped by Toppo in the Manga but he had a slim advantage in the Anime. No comparison at all.

What has Jiren done in the Manga that proves he can beat Mastered Super Saiyan Blue KK in the Manga?

Remember the shock waves but I don't remember the Universe crumbling statement.

Originally posted by Estacado
Vegeta is back to blue in the next episode....

I mean Jiren almost killed him then he powered up, Toppo put a whoopin on him then he powered up.

I guess he will just power up....haermm

Vegeta finally leveled up his "hero shield".

So Vegetto is still a possibility, as is Vegeta reaching UI.

At this point anything is possible....haermm

I just want Vegeta to finally call himself the king of all saiyans

Caver being Zamasu,

Originally posted by Damborgson
I just want Vegeta to finally call himself the king of all saiyans

Not to rain on Vegeta's long overdue parade but if Toppo wasn't trying to kill the Universe 7 fighters, the just how far does his resistance to the destruction energy go?