Toppo gave up his justice which was everything for him, in order to get this strong. Once Vegeta basically started calling him a sell out I think Toppo's faith was shaken and his attacks were weaker...at least I hope thats what was implicated with Jiren/Vegeta/Toppo all commenting on Toppo giving up justice..I hope its that rather than just Vegeta magically getting way stronger again
Originally posted by carver9
Jiren said some important words at the end of this episode... "you gained all of this power without giving up anything". I wonder what he meant by that. Did he give up something to attain all the power he have. I wonder what that statement meant because I'm sure it means SOMETHING involving him and his power or his morality.
i would think its related to whatever one wish he wants to make that was the only reason he agreed to fight
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
What a silly show DBS is. Still no stakes but hey Vegeta is finally weaponing his "family" power ups so there's that. Also I suppose Jiren isn't supposed to be this mean going by the comments.
You have still watched every episode though. The anime section consists of a lot of trolls.
Funniest shit is that this was prolly Vegeta's biggest win in DB history and we had to wait 20 years for it. Im still really happy about it but phuck he should had more wins like this in Z as well.
I mean all his victories in Z were against meh people after the saiyan saga, Dodoria..meh, Zarbon...meh, Guldo...meh, Jeice...meh, stalemating 1st form Frieza for 5 seconds thats not much.. Beating Android 19 who wasnt doing well against heart attack Goku, it could be argued Picollo could beat him since he chopped 20's arm like nothing, beating Imperfect Cell who would have lost to either Goku or Trunks, stalemating a holding back Goku who had SSJ 3 then, kamikazeing Fat Buu with no effect.
In Super beating an already weakened Frieza, some weak copy cat Frieza who would lost to Picollo, Noob saiyan kid, Magetta, .
His only notable things in Super were surpassing Ssj3 Goku and temp beating Black(after that his rage boost got both him and Goku in shit.)
His win over Toppo was like his only legit one even tho we dont know how strong he is I think its safe to say that only UI Goku could have beaten him outside pride/love boost Vegeta.
Glad that Vegeta crushed him.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Jiren being a straight up douchebag was also a little jarring, imo. Guy lost his cool this episode.? [/B]
Nope, that saved the episode. He said what was right. I don't know why anyone took Toppo so seriously and was glad when Jiren said he was pathetic.
I found this episode disappointing, all that build up for Toppo and for what exactly? Nothing, he didn't ring out anyone...and WHY are Frieza and 17 still in this Tournament? Come on....Toppo could have at least rung one of them out...
I much preferred Toppo's character personality and drive pre-GoD, post I found his demeaner to be really dumb and boring.
Originally posted by carver9Vegeta is currently tied with Goku for the most eliminations: 11 each.
Vegeta has been having a lot of wins in this tournament. Hell, I think he has knocked the most people out of the ring tbh.
The next closest is Freeza, who has eliminated 7... Jiren(the most powerful guy here) has eliminated 2, lol.
Originally posted by TheBadguy
Well jiren didnt call Toppo pathetic for his strength he was referring to Toppo sacrificing his pride trooper justice and still not getting a single win for all his talk of survival
After so much babbling, he didn't justify his strength. Jiren simply thought Toppo is a weakling. Then Vegeta crushed him, which made me happy, but even that simply wasn't enough. And then Jiren came and said he was pathetic... he nailed it.
FYI... during the beginning when both Vegeta and Goku attained Super Saiyan Blue, Whis said that if they actually worked together without letting their pride get in the way, they could beat Beerus. This was during the BEGINNING of them attaining Blue. They have ascended to levels far beyond that and they are still being mistreated by Jiren who is only using a hint of his power and yes, they are actually working together to take him out. This speaks volumes imo unless you don't trust what Whis said.
Originally posted by carver9
FYI... during the beginning when both Vegeta and Goku attained Super Saiyan Blue, Whis said that if they actually worked together without letting their pride get in the way, they could beat Beerus. This was during the BEGINNING of them attaining Blue. They have ascended to levels far beyond that and they are still being mistreated by Jiren who is only using a hint of his power and yes, they are actually working together to take him out. This speaks volumes imo unless you don't trust what Whis said.
You seriously think that Vegeta and Goku (in Revival of F) would have 1% of a chance against Beerus, even they would work together? You still take that statement seriously?