Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

Originally posted by carver9
Piccolo use to be a villain and he have helped Earth and the Universe on numerous of occasions. Vegeta, I dont even have to name what he's done. Goku letting Frieza live have helped Universe 7 all around. Without Frieza, there wouldn't be a universe. Him lettint Buu live have helped.

You're right that Vegeta surviving/reforming was ultimately a good thing.

Goku did kill Freeza -- he was dead during the ToP(the halo wasn't just an accessory.) And now that Freeza is alive again, he's back to hopping around the universe, wiping out the native populations of planets, and selling the worlds to extraterrestrial third parties(this was confirmed in the bonus pages of volume #12)... So Freeza hasn't reformed at all, and him being allowed to live is causing untold billions to be slaughtered. But apparently that's acceptable, so long as the next time Goku fights Freeza it allows him to become more powerful?

Only reason Boo was kept around is because the evil side of him literally separated from the good side, which makes Fat Boo about as good as it gets... But Goku didn't play a part in that.

Originally posted by carver9
Goku is right here and his method have done nothing but good so far.

His approach is basically: "I let the bad guys live, because the next time I fight them I'll have to become even stronger and that's super exciting to me!" The bad guys *possibly* reforming is secondary to Goku selfishly trying to become more powerful at the expense of others. It's a retarded rationale for a "hero" to have.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
>perfected mastered ultra instinct.

It should really be called "complete" UI, because Goku certainly hasn't "mastered" it yet.

Originally posted by Galan007

His approach is basically: "I let the bad guys live, because the next time I fight them I'll have to become even stronger and that's super exciting to me!" The bad guys *possibly* reforming is secondary to Goku selfishly trying to become more powerful at the expense of others. It's a retarded rationale for a "hero" to have.

Besides the rage he gets both times that Krillin died, Goku has never really seemed to care about anyone either except getting his son from Radditz. But after that, Goku just seemed to really not have any bonds with anyone. Everyone just looks to him as a friend, because he saves them, not really because he is really a great person.

I want to see MUI vs Beerus

Originally posted by Kento
And that right there is why Goku is as bad of a hero as he is a father. Because he only really cares about what he wants, and nothing else.

Besides the rage he gets both times that Krillin died, Goku has never really seemed to care about anyone either except getting his son from Radditz. But after that, Goku just seemed to really not have any bonds with anyone. Everyone just looks to him as a friend, because he saves them, not really because he is really a great person.

Dude routinely leaves his wife and children behind for months/years on end just to train, ffs. Dude lets bad guys live(and continue slaughtering innocents) just in the hope that when he fights them the next time it will make him even stronger.

"Hero"... lol.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
I want to see MUI vs Beerus

Future Trunks is the best example of their "heroism:.

Their usual MO resulted in literally everyone but Trunks dieing and an entire multiverse being erased. Could have all been avoided too, easily, if they didn't treat it like a damned 1 vs 1 tournament and teamed up to eliminate the threats.

And I hope Goku never beats Beerus, personally.

I hate Beerus as a person (Lets be honest, Gods of Destruction are a "white trash" wet dream, where the boorish lazy everymen get to lord it over their universes and aristocratic angels at their beck and call), but one thing I do like is the idea Goku simply can't train past someone, for once.

And Toriyama did claim he had no plans for Goku to ever surpass him.

I feel the same. The only battle I actually want to see is a rematch between Beerus and Goku... To show once and for all that even with the massive gains that Goku has made since BoG, he still isn't on Beerus' level(and if he is, it's only by a very, very narrow margin.)

And yeah, in the manga especially Beerus/Whis have honestly become almost entirely worthless. All they do is come to earth and snack on delicious treats... Even with everything that's happened, Beerus still completely neglects his duties as a Destroyer.

Originally posted by Galan007
All they do is come to earth and snack on delicious treats...

Yes.

Tori is likely suffering from some severe eating disorder. Or perhaps experienced hunger as youth and it has traumatized him.

That's why we're getting characters like Goku, Yajirobe, Buu, Beerus, Whis... hell, even Vegeta started eating like crazy in Super.

Akira is either a very miserable person, unable to cope with some stuff... or he's a classic example of a bloodlusted cannibal, which would make perfect sense in Japan.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lol, yeah I thought about that after.

It should really be called "complete" UI, because Goku certainly hasn't "mastered" it yet.

Mastered was just what Whis called his trick because he kept seeing him **** up tapping into until he finally got it right. Oh he finally mastered it, no wait he's retarded and can't control it. It is the correct form, he just has no control over it, hence why Whis jumped to conclusions when he first saw it.

The fan terms just cause confusion amongst you rascals. Like adding Js where they don't belong like a common Mexican. Stop trying to jump the border into Mexico and you won't be hung up on terms and acronyms imo. 👆

Also, if Beerus doesn't even imply he's going to step in against Moro while being right there, then I'll probably lose all faith in him. Especially if Goku loses too.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes.

Tori is likely suffering from some severe eating disorder. Or perhaps experienced hunger as youth and it has traumatized him.

That's why we're getting characters like Goku, Yajirobe, Buu, Beerus, Whis... hell, even Vegeta started eating like crazy in Super.

Akira is either a very miserable person, unable to cope with some stuff... or he's a classic example of a bloodlusted cannibal, which would make perfect sense in Japan.

Fans put WAAAY more thought into it than he ever did.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
That's why it's not called Mastered bro. It's just called Ultra Instinct; the lesser form is called Ultra Instinct Sign. If it was called Mastered Ultra Instinct and the other was called Ultra Instinct Sign, then we would have no Ultra Instinct. Just forms describing the form, yet we wouldn't have a term for the form itself.

Mastered was just what Whis called his trick because he kept seeing him **** up tapping into until he finally got it right. Oh he finally mastered it, no wait he's retarded and can't control it. It is the correct form, he just has no control over it, hence why Whis jumped to conclusions when he first saw it.

The fan terms just cause confusion amongst you rascals. Like adding Js where they don't belong like a common Mexican. Stop trying to jump the border into Mexico and you won't be hung up on terms and acronyms imo. 👆

Also, if Beerus doesn't even imply he's going to step in against Moro while being right there, then I'll probably lose all faith in him. Especially if Goku loses too.

Yeah, I mentioned how garbage Beerus is earlier. U7 was nearly wiped from existence because Beerus is such a shitty Destroyer, but even after being given a second chance he still does absolutely nothing. Moro is a guy that will literally destroy the entire universe if he isn't stopped, but you're just going to let him keep doing his thing, cuz "fuk da mortalz"..?

The fact that Beerus hasn't already stepped in against Moro is retarded. These are the exact kind of threats that he *should* be dealing with personally.

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Dios, odio a los mexicanos!

But yeah, Beerus can be saved by at least saying he's going to step in but I have a feeling he'll get nothing. Just has zero reason not to here.

To be fair, it doesn't seem like Supreme Kai is doing his job very well either. It's not just beerus.

I think he gets a pass as his boss was eaten by sentient bubblegum befor he was properly trained. He's just been winging it for the last millennia

Yeah, and I mean Elder Kai is his only role model, ffs.

Shin is a terrible Kai though. 👆

Originally posted by One Big Mob
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Dios, odio a los mexicanos!

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
😂

Almost as great as Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 4 God Super Saiyan 2.5 Legendary G-Mode...

YouTube video

Why Majin Boo was immune to Moro's absorbtion?

Because of his semi-divine/magical nature.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
That's why it's not called Mastered bro. It's just called Ultra Instinct; the lesser form is called Ultra Instinct Sign. If it was called Mastered Ultra Instinct and the other was called Ultra Instinct Sign, then we would have no Ultra Instinct. Just forms describing the form, yet we wouldn't have a term for the form itself.

Mastered was just what Whis called his trick because he kept seeing him **** up tapping into until he finally got it right. Oh he finally mastered it, no wait he's retarded and can't control it. It is the correct form, he just has no control over it, hence why Whis jumped to conclusions when he first saw it.

The fan terms just cause confusion amongst you rascals. Like adding Js where they don't belong like a common Mexican. Stop trying to jump the border into Mexico and you won't be hung up on terms and acronyms imo. 👆

Also, if Beerus doesn't even imply he's going to step in against Moro while being right there, then I'll probably lose all faith in him. Especially if Goku loses too.

Probably not unless Whis nags him.

This "I only do as you command" is a total lie, demonstrable by the fact Beerus sure never ordered Whis to undo Freeza's Earth explodey.

Nor was it his idea to drag civilians out of harms way, is waa Whis who wanted that.

Hfil, even Merus is clearly something Beerus wasn't too happy about. Whis knowing about it and not reporting it can be seen as flouting Beeeus's authority.

The fact is, Whis acts on his own all the time. Most times its about what Whis wants, with Beerus just going along with it.

Why couldn't Cell use the kaioken? He obviously knew techniques he had never seen before because of the people he was composed of.

I mean, besides the obvious, if he could use Kaioken, then ssj2 or even ssj3 would have been useless against Perfect Cell