Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

Started by Kento633 pages

Because, the last arc amounted to absolutely no consequences? Beerus had no reason to change, just like Shin is still being a terrible God of Creation. A couple hundred millennia is hard mindsets to break.

Also, it's probably easier to pawn it off on Beerus, who will receive less anything happening by being like, Beerus needed me to do something and then Merus was just gone.

So did Grand Priest erase Merus off panel or did he just cease to be because he accessed his full power?

In this chapter it almost seemed like a self-destruct feature that was built into each Angel's core. ie. when they use the full extent of their powers in a battle, they simply cease to exist.

But a few chapters ago, GP implied that he is the one who decides when an Angel is crossing the line and needs to be eliminated. So maybe GP has to 'authorize' the erasure before it starts happening?

This chapter also made me wonder what would happen if Beerus ordered Whis to fully power up and fight Moro.

If Whis obliged, would he still be erased(even though he was just following the orders of his Destroyer), or is a Destroyer's order able to override the one law of the Angel Code?

...or would Whis just refuse the order all together?

Seems to me like a GOD can order their Angel to do anything.

It does seem that way. It's just hard to reconcile the fact that an order from a Destroyer could potentially negate the one rule/law Angels must abide by.

Beerus: "Hey Whis, go power up to max and kill that pesky Moro guy."
Whis: "As you wish, my lord."

Grand Priest: "I'll let this violation of our sacred law slide, because Beerus told him to do it."

srug

Originally posted by Galan007
This chapter also made me wonder what would happen if Beerus ordered Whis to fully power up and fight Moro.

If Whis obliged, would he still be erased(even though he was just following the orders of his Destroyer), or is a Destroyer's order able to override the one law of the Angel Code?

...or would Whis just refuse the order all together?

He'd probably refuse, or Beerus simply wouldn't make the order because its doubtful a word would diffuse the self detonation.

Just a hypothetical question.

Lets say Beerus did order Whis to power up and kill Moro... What would happen?

I'd say Whis would not do it. I think Whis would just give a long speech about how he can't.

Originally posted by Galan007
Just a hypothetical question.

Lets say Beerus did order Whis to power up and kill Moro... What would happen?

Whis probably does it, and dies.

And then Beerus has some explaining to do to the Grand Priest. Likely gets stripped of his job or erased himself unless he had a good reason.

What your thoughts, is Goku UI sign currently superior to his TOP's MUI?

How would you scale it?

I wouldn't be surprised if current SSB Goku is already on that level, with Sign surpassing it.

I didn't really dig Goku and merus's flash back about goku just wanting to fight strong guys. A, because he always had a good reason to do some fighting(raditz stealing his boy, cell threatening the planet etc.) And B, Goku is totally down to murder. He played a big part in the deaths of raditz, cell, king piccolo, and buu. Really the only people he spared were Jr, vegeta and cell. And that only had a 66% success rate

The whole "I like to keep villains alive because they'll probably get stronger in the future, and fighting strong guys is super-duper fun!!" thing is ridiculous. And the fact that an Angel was impressed by that kind of 'logic' is absurd.

That being said, who's the last major villain that Goku actually beat by himself without any outside assistance..? Freeza in the Namek saga?

I'm ok with goku beating moro because he needs a win every now and then and he does know super god martial arts now. I'm just not cool with him blatantly lying about his history

Goku does need a legit win, and it sounds like he'll get it against Moro.

Though I still have to wonder how fast he'll burn through the MUI powerup? Even the output required for Sign still taxes him significantly, so I would assume the drain will be even more amplified by MUI.

Maybe MUI Goku beats the shit out of Moro, but burns out before he can finish the job(not unlike we saw with Jiren)... But because Moro would be significantly weakened, perhaps Vegeta can jump in and use the forced spirit fission technique, ftw? Dunno.

You would think an actual MUI would not be taxing at all.

It shouldn't be taxing, IF he has somehow fully mastered it.

But it's hard to imagine Goku now having full control over MUI. I mean, he actually trained with Merus in his Sign transformation for a considerable amount of time, and it still depletes his energy/stamina immensely when he goes all-out. Flip side, this would only be the second time Goku has ever been able to access MUI at all(and the first time he could only sustain it for like 20 seconds in real time before he burned out.) At this point it wouldn't make sense for Goku to have inextricably perfected MUI to the point where it doesn't have any sort of ki consumption drawbacks -- seems like this may just be the catalyst that allows him to access it at will in the future.

But dumber things have happened, I suppose...

What Goku said about letting the villains live, i don't see anything wrong with that. He said he is primarily doing it because he feels as if he could by some miracle make them good guys. Looking at DragonBall, this sense of thinking have helped. Piccolo use to be a villain and he have helped Earth and the Universe on numerous of occasions. Vegeta, I dont even have to name what he's done. Goku letting Frieza live have helped Universe 7 all around. Without Frieza, there wouldn't be a universe. Him lettint Buu live have helped. Goku is right here and his method have done nothing but good so far.

Originally posted by Galan007
At this point it wouldn't make sense for Goku to have inextricably perfected MUI to the point where it doesn't have any sort of ki consumption drawbacks

>perfected mastered ultra instinct.