Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

Originally posted by Galan007
I agree.

I never really cared for Oob, because like you said: he was basically just an asspull of a character from the onset... But asspulls have been DBS's thing since the beginning, so Oob *still* having more potential than anyone would be par for the course. /shrug

After all, the manga has gone out of its way to show us the ridiculous amount of God ki/potential that Oob has access to:
https://ibb.co/gzRYJ27
https://ibb.co/9wx19KZ
https://ibb.co/0DpLC54
And as of the last chapter, not even Whis is convinced that Black Freeza is truly "the strongest"... So I feel like that could set the stage for Oob being revealed as that warrior(hence Goku still being so eager to train him during EoZ.)

Yeah, DBS likely isn't going to end anytime soon(even though it should), and frankly, they don't even have to stop at the EoZ -- they could easily start delving into the "GT-era" and continue the series endlessly, if they wanted to. 😘

On that note...and I never thought I'd say this... But am I the only one at this point who thinks GT might be superior to DBS in terms of overall quality? GT certainly wasn't "good" in that respect, but DBS has just been pretty terrible outside of a few select arcs.

srug

The Baby arc was successful, but had to go through a weird beginning of the show to get there, like with the better parts of Super where the show started off bad. Super 17 arc I still don't really care for though, preferring the ToP 17. The Shadow Dragon arc was definitely better, though Omega Shenron suffered from a lack of screen time but was otherwise okay for a final villain.

Much as people went on about Jiren being a weak way to end Super on in its initial run, Kid Buu I honestly never saw as a compelling way to end Z on villain wise. A cool design and flashback scene, sure, but the delivery of him was shit. All he did was scream and pound his chest. Think it's just nostalgia that makes people give Kid Buu a pass in that respect. Jiren to his credit broke the internet when fighting UI Goku for the first time, along with being considered to have some of the best looking fights in the whole series, bringing out the best in Goku with UI which we sadly have not seen in the Super films that came after.

All the iterations of Dragon Ball have their fun/good parts and their bad parts, basically.

That's true.

I guess I was just thinking about the sheer amount of arcs in DBS, when comparing its successes to its failures. Granted this is all subjective, but imo:

BoG arc- Pretty good.
RoF arc- Mostly shit.
U6vs.U7 arc- Mostly shit.
Zamasu arc- Really good overall. Still is my favorite arc of the series.
ToP arc- Mostly shit overall, with a few good moments sprinkled in.
Broly movie- Really good.
Moro arc- Mostly shit.
Granloah arc- Mostly shit.
Super Hero movie- Mostly shit.

If nothing else, DBS has certainly given me more appreciation for GT. /shrug

Originally posted by Galan007
I agree.

I never really cared for Oob, because like you said: he was basically just an asspull of a character from the onset... But asspulls have been DBS's thing since the beginning, so Oob *still* having more potential than anyone would be par for the course. /shrug

After all, the manga has gone out of its way to show us the ridiculous amount of God ki/potential that Oob has access to:
https://ibb.co/gzRYJ27
https://ibb.co/9wx19KZ
https://ibb.co/0DpLC54
And as of the last chapter, not even Whis is convinced that Black Freeza is truly "the strongest"... So I feel like that could set the stage for Oob being revealed as that warrior(hence Goku still being so eager to train him during EoZ.)

Yeah, DBS likely isn't going to end anytime soon(even though it should), and frankly, they don't even have to stop at the EoZ -- they could easily start delving into the "GT-era" and continue the series endlessly, if they wanted to. 😘

On that note...and I never thought I'd say this... But am I the only one at this point who thinks GT might be superior to DBS in terms of overall quality? GT certainly wasn't "good" in that respect, but DBS has just been pretty terrible outside of a few select arcs.

srug

Originally posted by Galan007
If nothing else, DBS has certainly given me more appreciation for GT. /shrug

I've been saying that for years and you guys wanted to crucify me haermm

Originally posted by Mendax
Couldn't it also be Broly though?

I'm just saying that I'd like it to be Oob, simply because that would at least mesh with EoZ.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I've been saying that for years and you guys wanted to crucify me haermm

Originally posted by Galan007
Could be Broly... Could be Pan... Could be Monaka... We don't know anything right now.

I'm just saying that I'd like it to be Oob, simply because that would at least mesh with EoZ.

I just think that Broly has displayed the most potential so far, considering that he went from below the level of base Vegeta, to it taking a SSJB fusion just to beat him.

Originally posted by Mendax
I get what you're saying.

I just think that Broly has displayed the most potential so far, considering that he went from below the level of base Vegeta, to it taking a SSJB fusion just to beat him.

After Moro had merged with the earth and drained Goku down to his base form, the cumulative power of every Z-Fighter on earth(ie. Vegeta+Gohan+Piccolo+#17+#18, etc., etc.) was only enough to restore Goku back to his [depleted] SSB-level... And then he was promptly owned/drained by Moro again.

But when Oob lent a portion of his God ki, it was enough for Goku to power all the way back up from his base form, to [full-power] MUI... Which enabled him to swiftly own/kill Moro for good.

Point being: Oob is packing an absolutely staggering amount of latent power/potential... So just imagine how powerful he could become once he actually learns to control all that God ki.

I'm not familiar with that scene, but keep in mind energy transfers in Dragon Ball have always been working in mysterious ways.

They are not your standard DB math, Galan, despite you believing otherwise 😛

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I've been saying that for years and you guys wanted to crucify me haermm

Originally posted by Galan007
I agree.

I never really cared for Oob, because like you said: he was basically just an asspull of a character from the onset... But asspulls have been DBS's thing since the beginning, so Oob *still* having more potential than anyone would be par for the course. /shrug

After all, the manga has gone out of its way to show us the ridiculous amount of God ki/potential that Oob has access to:
https://ibb.co/gzRYJ27
https://ibb.co/9wx19KZ
https://ibb.co/0DpLC54
And as of the last chapter, not even Whis is convinced that Black Freeza is truly "the strongest"... So I feel like that could set the stage for Oob being revealed as that warrior(hence Goku still being so eager to train him during EoZ.)

Yeah, DBS likely isn't going to end anytime soon(even though it should), and frankly, they don't even have to stop at the EoZ -- they could easily start delving into the "GT-era" and continue the series endlessly, if they wanted to. 😘

On that note...and I never thought I'd say this... But am I the only one at this point who thinks GT might be superior to DBS in terms of overall quality? GT certainly wasn't "good" in that respect, but DBS has just been pretty terrible outside of a few select arcs.

srug

From what we've come to understand of Dragon Ball's version of Hell, how did Dr Myuu and Gero even have the technology and resources to create anything when they were dead and in Hell, let alone another Android 17? How were the two 17's much stronger than 17 was in Z? That was the only reason Super 17 felt like a threat, since if it was just two DBZ level 17's merged, he wouldn't of been that much a threat aside from the 19 esque energy absorption. On the other hand, you had DBS/ToP 17 who just got stronger from training, but both iterations of 17 had asspull powerups.

My point being, dumb as Super's asspulls have been, shouldn't turn a blind eye to GT's. That said, GT has the advantage of being overall shorter, and thus not having as much dumb shit writing to talk about.

I can understand appreciating some characters like GT Vegeta from a developmental standpoint at least, but as a fighter, he was shat on more than any other iteration of Dragon Ball. Frieza has still been superior to any filler/GT material he had since after the Namek arc, though shame Cell got the opposite in the end. In hindsight I'm more thankful for his GT appearance even if it wasn't much. Gohan I would say is equally mishandled in both GT and Super, while others like Piccolo got it better in DBS. Overall though, the best of Super (i.e. Zamasu arc, Broly) can be put up there with the best of GT, while the worst of both series can be similarly lumped. Same with some of the annoying or pointless characters both series have.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
It was justified given how you dropped Super early before it got better and continually only judged it from your initial impressions of the first few episodes. It would be like if I dropped GT before it got to the Baby arc and only judged it by the pointless misadventures on planet M-2. You had a clear bias for GT from the start and was unwilling to give Super an equally fair chance. In that context, you were right to be crucified, but go ahead, play the victim card.

. . .

Jesus.

Apply some lube next time before you violate my butthole like this.

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil2
Gt>super by a wide margin

Can't believe I've lived long enough to witness posts such as these.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
From what we've come to understand of Dragon Ball's version of Hell, how did Dr Myuu and Gero even have the technology and resources to create anything when they were dead and in Hell, let alone another Android 17? How were the two 17's much stronger than 17 was in Z? That was the only reason Super 17 felt like a threat, since if it was just two DBZ level 17's merged, he wouldn't of been that much a threat aside from the 19 esque energy absorption. On the other hand, you had DBS/ToP 17 who just got stronger from training, but both iterations of 17 had asspull powerups.

My point being, dumb as Super's asspulls have been, shouldn't turn a blind eye to GT's. That said, GT has the advantage of being overall shorter, and thus not having as much dumb shit writing to talk about.

I can understand appreciating some characters like GT Vegeta from a developmental standpoint at least, but as a fighter, he was shat on more than any other iteration of Dragon Ball. Frieza has still been superior to any filler/GT material he had since after the Namek arc, though shame Cell got the opposite in the end. In hindsight I'm more thankful for his GT appearance even if it wasn't much. Gohan I would say is equally mishandled in both GT and Super, while others like Piccolo got it better in DBS. Overall though, the best of Super (i.e. Zamasu arc, Broly) can be put up there with the best of GT, while the worst of both series can be similarly lumped. Same with some of the annoying or pointless characters both series have.

I think some of the absurd "GT logic" tends to get more of a pass, because it was never canon to DBZ to begin with. That's why GT was able to use non-canon elements from DBZ's anime filler scenes(like the dead villains still having full autonomy while in Hell and whatnot), along with elements from the movies(like Cooler appearing.) GT didn't have to adhere to any sort of "canon structure", so it basically had free reign to do whatever it wanted. It was essentially televised fan-fiction, and can't really be taken as much more than that (I'm not trying to make excuses for GT, btw... But it's true.)

Flip side, DBS IS canon to DBZ(with Tori himself calling the shots), but it has still shit on many of the key character/plot-developments that DBZ originally built... For literally no reason. Aside from that, DBS has already gone on for MUCH longer than GT(with no end in sight), yet outside of a few arcs, has provided us with nothing but a dumpster fire.

SSJ4 remains one of my favorites too, yeah.

I wouldn't give GT a pass on its bad parts just because of continuity, but fair enough.

Super also did a good job of better defining the whole god aspect of the lore, improving upon the very weak and poorly executed Buu saga stuff. It doesn't just abandon it but goes out of its way to fix many of the issues. i.e. Buu saga's focus was naturally on Buu himself with the Kai's being an afterthought. Super fixed many of the issues in BotG (Beerus being everything that Supreme Kai should have been as a god along with being an enjoyable character). It is a shame though that Super didn't do more of that later and instead just added more pointless shit or retconned the lore to be worse, but the Super era did begin with promise.

“I brought earth’s strongest warriors! And krillin”
Bulma, why you gotta be like that?

Bulma actually said that? 😂

Perhaps she's had enough of Galan's posts... 😖hifty:

He wanks that midget as much as I wank the Marvel's one.

Some might disagree, but the Dragon Ball Rage fan manga is much better than Super Hero in my opinion. It has a proper return of Cell, and punishes Gohan for his stupidity and negligence which forces him to actually have some development again, in addition to him gaining the white haired powerup by the end but is executed better. The creator of said fan manga even had enough an ego to say it was better than Super Hero which pissed off the Toriyama fanboys. 😂 Link to it below for anyone interested.

https://m.webtoons.com/en/challenge/dragonball-rage-/list?title_no=623265

The art is not the best admittedly, but not like Super Hero was easy to look at either with all that 3D/CG shit.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Bulma actually said that? 😂