Dragon Ball Discussion Thread

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Toriyama said the original Dragonball Z anime was simply an extension and canon as well didn't he?

And the anime has more content and has actually covered everything unlike the manga as well. If anything has the claim, it'd be that one. Shame about the 2 or 3 very poorly done episodes though.

Nothing was ever said on how powerful Piccolo is so the only thing we can do is assume. What we do know is Piccolo tends to train daily. Both physically and mentally. To the point that he was able to match Gohan (and was probably holding back). With that said, expect one of the best showings from him because he doesn't seem too worried about his opponents power levels.

Also, NOTHING was ever said on Goku losing his Super Saiyan form. Just because we didn't see it since he's been blue doesn't mean that he lost the ability on turning blonde hair. It's still part of his power set. Turning Super Saiyan is a good site imo...good to see he can still power stack. God Mode should be a last resort.

Originally posted by Galan007
Perhaps.

It just seems like Toriyama doesn't have a clear vision of the direction he wants to go with Saiyans, so all this random transformation BS comes off as a giant clusterf*ck.

I don't even watch the show and I find it irritating. 👇

What's wrong with DBS?

1. It is the sequel to two of the most important and beloved anime of all time(DB and DBZ).

2. It's canonically a sequel to the manga(more of this in a bit).

3. It spends too much time recapping plot points from two movies that are frankly a lot more enjoyable than the show proper(prettier, better paced, original).

4. It is poorly animated leading to the idea that production was extremely rushed. This is also the same guys who do One Piece, which has a very meh anime to begin with.

5. Despite looking like it was rushed, the pacing of the show itself could not be more sluggish. We spent almost an entire episode watching Oolong and Beerus playing rock-paper-scissors. Nothing interesting was done with Oolong and the whole thing could be skipped were it not for the canon bits. This slow pacing is already hard to accept for something like One Piece, which is actually rather slow itself, but for Dragon Ball? A story that is literally built around fast pace? It's like cancer.

6. The foundation is lousy. In Japan an anime is supposed to advertise the manga. Fans get drawn in and then read the manga to know what happens(think the western love of Naruto) next in the story. They then turn back to the anime when it catches up to certain points to see their favorite scenes animated. DBS is bucking this trend because it is a multi-media project. The manga is meant to advertise the anime. Problem is that the anime could, effortlessly, cover all the manga material in a flash and get to the new and interesting parts of the story people wanna see. Doing so would render the manga worthless and no one would ever by it. So the show is forced to move sluggishly for the manga to gain ground. Conversely the show holds back the manga because it has to go super fast in order to stay ahead. Goku and Beerus didn't even get a proper fight in the manga(not really) and they skipped almost all of Freeza. Then there is the whole argument over which is or should be canon.

7. The manga is frankly so much better as entertainment. Despite being too fast at times, it feels like a sequel to Dragonball that the manga deserved. Many, myself included, would rather just read it and forget the show exists entirely. I'm not even keen on seeing stuff like Goku vs Frost animated because the fights are sluggish, stilted, and nothing like the original DBZ which looked grittier, felt faster, and was overall more enjoyable.

Basically if I never saw another episode of Super I'd be more or less okay with that. It's not even enjoyably bad, just easily ignored.

Can't help but to agree with Aura.

Originally posted by Kento
Its not even just the show. The manga has ssj looking hair. For whatever random reason, be it coloring error, artist error, or it actually being normal ssj. Then the anime goes and completely changes things that happen in the BoG arc so who knows how much the Tournament arc will change. And I guess in a few episodes we will see if he actually goes ssj or if its ssb. I'm not sure if I expect the anime and manga to actually follow each other now or for them to have different variations on the fights with pretty much the same outcome of who wins and loses. That's kind of why I watch the anime, to see the differences that happen.

So Vegeta and Goku came back with beards.
Goku smashed nipples in the face really hard in base form which didn't move him but it hurt him.
The robo sexual is massive.

In the preview it shows Golden haired SS Goku. Which isn't surprising considering he did it before he got to Beerus' planet, as well as against Beerus. Which seems to indicate it's just a lesser form of Blue. And if SS does match 4th form Frost, then at the very least that indicates the powerup Blue gives is absolutely massive. It also implies 4th Form Frost either has a Golden Form or a 100 percent bulked up form since it's hard to see Goku losing without going max. So that will be interesting.

srug

Leaked promo material I saw a while back mentioned Piccolo fighting Frost in this tournie--implying that Goku may not win.

It may not end up being accurate(can't remember the specific source off hand), but I definitely recall seeing that.

The preview makes it seem like Goku goes ssj against the bear thing.

Also episode 34s title is Piccolo vs Frost— Bet Everything on the Makankōsappō!
So Goku has too lose in the anime.

Like I said. 👆

Goku getting whooped by Winnie the Pooh? This I gotta see.

I'm just waiting for Goten and Trunks to cause trouble somehow. Dress up in a suit to try and appear as the new team member.

Vegeta's been the most enjoyable part of Super for me.

Also, anyone else find it kinda adorable how possessive/protective he is of Bulma?

Most character development of anyone in series history.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Vegeta's been the most enjoyable part of Super for me.

Also, anyone else find it kinda adorable how possessive/protective he is of Bulma?

Most character development of anyone in series history.

That's why I'm worried they're going to job him out here. Though the whole tourney hinges upon him and Monaka apparently so not sure if that's good or bad considering he has to lose for Monaka to do anything...

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Vegeta's been the most enjoyable part of Super for me.

Also, anyone else find it kinda adorable how possessive/protective he is of Bulma?

Most character development of anyone in series history.

Originally posted by Kento
Besides Piccolo, Vegeta is really the only character in Z with character development.

Nein.

Gohan embracing pussiness is the biggest character development after Piccolo.

All of Vegeta's character development went down the shit hole in the BUu saga. It completely destroyed everything he did in the Cell Saga.

How do you go from trying to save the Earth and crying for your son, only to do a complete 180 and start killing innocent people just so Goku could fight you?

Originally posted by SquallX
All of Vegeta's character development went down the shit hole in the BUu saga. It completely destroyed everything he did in the Cell Saga.

How do you go from trying to save the Earth and crying for your son, only to do a complete 180 and start killing innocent people just so Goku could fight you?

Then he hugged his kid and killed himself trying to save Earth. Admitted Goku is better than him and almost got killed again.

Also fused with Goku.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Ego.

Then he hugged his kid and killed himself trying to save Earth. Admitted Goku is better than him and almost got killed again.

Also fused with Goku.

Vegeta actually let go of his Ego at the end of the Cell Saga. He accepted that Goku was better than him, and that Gohan was the new protetor of Earth. He even went on to say he will never fight again.

I don't care that he hugged his son and kill himself. The fact is, Vegeta threw away his pride as a Saiyan when he allowed Badidi to control him. Worse yet, he killed a bunch of innocent people in front of his Son and Wife just to force Goku to fight.

In all of Dragon Ball, Piccolo till this day still have the best character development. From watching his life from childhood to adulthood.

He started out as a villain in Dragon Ball, to an ally in the Saiyan Saga, a sadistic teacher to Gohan, only to start caring for the kid and becoming a mentor for him. Then a Hero that sacrificed his life for the kid he came to love.

Piccolo's development continued till the Buu saga as the overall wise old man that's been around and seen some shit.

Originally posted by SquallX
Vegeta actually let go of his Ego at the end of the Cell Saga. He accepted that Goku was better than him, and that Gohan was the new protetor of Earth. He even went on to say he will never fight again.

I don't care that he hugged his son and kill himself. The fact is, Vegeta threw away his pride as a Saiyan when he allowed Badidi to control him. Worse yet, he killed a bunch of innocent people in front of his Son and Wife just to force Goku to fight.