Most powerful Sith? Spring 2015 ed.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
So you're saying Vitiate can simply arrive at any other world and ravage the hell out of it?

Some dialogues after Ziost event:

...but Vitiate is stronger now. Sith Intelligence is in complete disarray. It's all coming apart. (Lana Beniko)

It's a setback to be sure, but this isn't over. Not even close. (Emperor's Wrath)

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Especially after Ziost, putting an end to Vitiate's threat feels like an impossible task. I don't believe it truly is impossible. Even if it were, we have to try. (Lana Beniko)

Is that optimism? (Emperor's Wrath)

It would appear so. Imagine that. (Lana Beniko)

So I think it's:

Palpatine
Vitiate
Plagueis
Caedus
Kun.

As my top 5.

Originally posted by The Merchant
So I think it's:

Palpatine
Vitiate
Plagueis
Caedus
Kun.

As my top 5.

While Vitiate's raw power is just ridiculous, it has to be noted that he has yet to produce a single saber feat.

Making a Force Storm is still in Legends the most powerful Dark side power, which includes Drain and Palpatine being a master of it. It was going to consume the entire Pinnacle Moon base and ate an entire Rebellion fleet beforehand. It's also described in the Book of Sith being akin to a Black Hole as well.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
While Vitiate's raw power is just ridiculous, it has to be noted that he has yet to produce a single saber feat.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Making a Force Storm is still in Legends the most powerful Dark side power, which includes Drain and Palpatine being a master of it. It was going to consume the entire Pinnacle Moon base and ate an entire Rebellion fleet beforehand. It's also described in the Book of Sith being akin to a Black Hole as well.

Now, look at the size of Ziost in comparison to its moons:

Ziost have two moons.

Vitiate's vampiric sorcery is the greatest display of dark side power and Force ability in visuals in the mythos yet. Its scope and reach is mind-boggling.

The Pinnacle Moon Base should be much larger than a literal Moon considering it harbors humans who can walk on its gravity just fine. Heck Yavin IV was much bigger than our Moon, 10,200 Kilometers in diameter. Da Soocha should be as big as Yavin IV. But I digress, since Vitiate did this in his spirit form and if we see him do much crazier things in his Physical Body I'll put him above Palpatine but so far I'll keep him right below him.

Originally posted by The Merchant
The Pinnacle Moon Base should be much larger than a literal Moon considering it harbors humans who can walk on its gravity just fine. Heck Yavin IV was much bigger than our Moon, 10,200 Kilometers in diameter. Da Soocha should be as big as Yavin IV. But I digress, since Vitiate did this in his spirit form and if we see him do much crazier things in his Physical Body I'll put him above Palpatine but so far I'll keep him right below him.

Darth Rivan also summoned Force Storm (Wormhole) power on a planet, using the dark staff. It destroyed his army and teleported him into the future but it didn't destroy the planet.

You are are overreaching with your assumption.

Palpatine focused his Force Storm as much as possible to just teleport Luke to Byss, and later on it was stated that the entire surface of Coruscant was extremely damaged from that, and Palpatine wasn't trying to destroy anything. Again later in the comic Palpatine was planning to absorb the entire Pinnacle Moon Base but was stopped. I don't see the point in bringing up Darth Rivan's feat, he actually teleported himself into the future.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Palpatine focused his Force Storm as much as possible to just teleport Luke to Byss, and later on it was stated that the entire surface of Coruscant was extremely damaged from that, and Palpatine wasn't trying to destroy anything. Again later in the comic Palpatine was planning to absorb the entire Pinnacle Moon Base but was stopped. I don't see the point in bringing up Darth Rivan's feat, he actually teleported himself into the future.

Nowhere it is stated that Palpatine was holding back when he attacked Coruscant.

Yes, Darth Rivan's feat matters because he summoned a Force Storm (Wormhole) power on the planet he inhabited and it destroyed his army but sapped his powers while teleporting him into the future.

In both cases, a planet is involved and it remained intact.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Sidious hit Coruscant with Force Storm (Wormhole) power, the planet remained intact and only a part of its infrastructure was destroyed.

Darth Ruin also summoned Force Storm (Wormhole) power on a planet, using the dark staff. It destroyed his army and teleported him into the future but it didn't destroy the planet.

You are are overreaching with your assumption.

Coruscant had yet to recover fully six years after Sidious's Storm (not to mention he was unleashing several other Storms in other systems), and it wasn't Ruin but Rivan who unleashed the Storm.

You're spreading misinformation.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Coruscant had yet to recover fully six years after Sidious's Storm

Originally posted by SunRazer
(not to mention he was unleashing several other Storms in other systems),

Originally posted by SunRazer
and it wasn't Ruin but Rivan who unleashed the Storm.

You're spreading misinformation.

He was holding back unless you want to claim Luke during that era along with R2-D2 has the durability of the entire surface of Coruscant. He wasn't trying to destroy anything, those where the sheer side effects of using said power. I'm going to repeat one more time that Palpatine was planning to consume the entire Pinnacle Moon Base with it but was stopped. As for causing damage to Coruscant's surface note the planet sized city is designed to withstand orbital bombardments as well.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Great. Then this refutes the assumption that Sidious had been holding back.

Provide evidence.

Oh fantastic. I didn't intentionally mention the wrong person. 🙄

1. Who said that? And it doesn't have anything to do with effort levels, just the potency of the Storm. Palpatine could have held back and still generated devastating effects.

2. From the Dark Empire Audio Drama:

"The energy storm that took Commander Skywalker, this is not an isolated event. Similar Storms have been detected in several systems."

3. Good.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

You are are overreaching with your assumption.

Actually Legend, I think Merchant is being very reasonable in this thread. I like his approach here. 👆

Originally posted by The Merchant
He was holding back unless you want to claim Luke during that era along with R2-D2 has the durability of the entire surface of Coruscant.

Force Storm power approaches Coruscant from hyperspace route.

"It's coming out of hyperspace..." - Tseb Nllel Whub

...A hyperspace wormhole have opened in the night...and a mighty energy storm emerges!

Force Storm makes contact with Coruscant, damaging the surface where it lands.

With rumbling chaotic fury, the storm sweeps down across the planet's surface!

"It's almost upon us! There's no need for you to die too! It doesn't wants you... It wants me! Leave! All of you or you'll be destroyed!" - Luke Skywalker

NOTE: Force Storm is pulling stuff in it.

R2-D2 joins Luke Skywalker. More importantly, Luke Skywalker and Darth Sidious telepathically connect with each other to enable Darth Sidious to teleport Luke Skywalker to his domain.

And across the vast deeps of space, two masters of power touch minds...One the very essence of Jedi...the other dark beyond darkness

Force Storm pulls Luke Skywalker and R2-D2 in along-with lot of debris.

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Now tell me ... if Sidious had been holding back, then why Luke forced his allies to leave Coruscant?

Luke's teleportation had been possible because he connected with Darth Sidious and he also protected R2-D2 or perhaps he convinced Darth Sidious to protect R2-D2 as well.

Originally posted by The Merchant
He wasn't trying to destroy anything, those where the sheer side effects of using said power.

Keep in mind this:

As war raged in the skies and on the surface of the former Imperial throneworld of Coruscant, a hyperspace wormhole appeared in space and made its way to the surface, indiscriminately destroying friend and enemy vessels alike. Witnesses commented on how the storm seemed single-minded, and indeed it was: The Jedi Luke Skywalker was its target, and even as it tore into the surface of the city-covered planet in a frenzy random destruction, it made its way torward the spot where Luke, having recently ditched a captured Imperial Star Destroyer, was pinned down in a crossfire.

Taken from The Dark Empire: Handbook

Originally posted by The Merchant
I'm going to repeat one more time that Palpatine was planning to consume the entire Pinnacle Moon Base with it but was stopped.

"...Look below...Look what is happening to your pitiful moon!" - Darth Sidious

No mention of absolute destruction or something else. If you have additional information, you may share.

Originally posted by The Merchant
As for causing damage to Coruscant's surface note the planet sized city is designed to withstand orbital bombardments as well.

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Source of quotes highlighted in blue: The Dark Empire (Comics)

That doesn't make your case. No one claimed that Sidious was particularly concerned with collateral damage. He clearly wasn't. But indifference =/= malicious intent. He still wasn't intending to ravage the planet. He just didn't give a shit if he made a mess getting to Luke.

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. Who said that? And it doesn't have anything to do with effort levels, just the potency of the Storm. Palpatine could have held back and still generated devastating effects.

And:

Vast energy storms that connect wildly disparate spots across the galaxy, hyperspace wormholes are unpredictable and devastating.

Taken from The Dark Empire: Handbook

Originally posted by SunRazer
2. From the Dark Empire Audio Drama:

"The energy storm that took Commander Skywalker, this is not an isolated event. Similar Storms have been detected in several systems."

The phrase "not an isolated event" implies: an isolated action, event, example etc happens only once, and is not likely to happen again.

From: http://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/isolated

ANALOGY: http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/06/politics/obama-ferguson-selma-civil-rights-movement/

Legend, nowhere does it say "other occassions". An isolated event is something that happens once, if Sidious was sending Force multiple Force storms across the galaxy at the same time, it would be happening more than once, so it would not be an isolated event, but still happening simultaneously.

Your belief that this occurred at differing times is baseless.

Sidious > Vitiate /Now this thread can die.