I have updated Vitiate's profile on comicvine: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/emperor-vitiate-respect-thread/97466/
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDI'd like an explicit quote, or its guesswork at best.
I am referring to the battle between the Dread Masters and an entire Republic fleet that was dispatched for Oricon.This Republic fleet ended-up obliterated.
You can check some remains of this Republic fleet floating around Oricon:
Which is debatable.Far less so than its inferiority to Emperor's ritual, which you've fail to provide solid basis would require more power.
Need I also add it can rend the very fabric of time and space?
Its destructive power is superior in every respect.
I am aware of these statements. Yes, Force Storm (Wormhole) power can tear the surface off the worlds, but their is not a single demonstration of this power which consumed an entire planet on record.Do you understand what an assumption is? Your assuming that because Darth Sidious has not done it he cannot. You have no basis for claiming as much as therefore your options are as follows:Do you understand the difference between conjecture and evidence?
1. You assume nothing i.e. that Darth Sidious cannot do this and is therefore inferior to the Sith Emperor, because you have no proof.
2. You accept the likelihood that he could, and Vitiate's inferiority.
Luke Skywalker attributed Force Storm (Wormhole) with the potential to kill worlds, not Darth Sidious. Try to understand this difference.In the contexts of Darth Sidious, the only person he'd ever seen use this power.And no, Darth Sidious have never unleashed a dark side power of such magnitude that consumed an entire world. NEVER.
Note, their is a difference between never having done so, and having the power to do so, learn it.
Addressed above.I've provided my proof, provide yours tbh.I really doubt that authors of DE sourcebooks had an idea of Vitiate's powers.
Originally posted by NephthysThe surface i.e. the entire thing. Just as when you say the chair you don't refer to part of the chair but the whole thing.
I don't. Tearing off how much of the surface? The surface of a planet is an ambiguous description and who even knows how accurate or hyperbolic that is given that he's never actually done it. Like I said we saw the Force Storm "tearing the surface off" a planet and it was nothing special. If Sidious is just destroying buildings and maybe a meter or two of ground then thats hardly in Ziosts league.
So if he's tearing off the surface its the whole thing, if it were parts of the surface he wouldn't even be torn of, the surface would be damaged or scarred. Luke also claims it can kill worlds, not parts of worlds, entire worlds.
And Sidious wasn't even trying to damage Coruscant so I fail to see your point.
Obliterating fleets is nothing compared to ravaging an entire planet. Ziost is likely a thousand times larger than any fleet Sidious destroyed, or more.I'm pointing out the fact that if it can obliterate a fleet, it should be able to burrow through solid earth.
That.... really isn't how this works. I'm not assuming anything, I'm making a judgement based on the evidence. Saying that Vitiate's showings are more impressive that Sidious' isn't an assumption if he's demonstrated something in excess of what Sidious has.Yes you are, your not just saying the Sith Emperor's showings are more impressive, your saying that because the Sith Emperor's showings are more impressive, he is more powerful, because evidently Darth Sidious doesn't have the strength to achieve them.
That's an assumption, because its not evident.
Like I said, Sidious' attack is miniscule compared to Vitiate's. Sidious' Force Storm has never been shown to be anywhere near the scale of Ziost's destruction, so he can only be said to be capable of destroying a small part of a planet at any one point, whereas Vitiate's single technique obliterated Ziost. I don't see why I need to explain this to you again, my previous explanation was perfectly valid. If I can hoover up a carpet slowly with a small nozzle but you can hoover up the entire carpet in one go with a massive hoover... thing then your hoover is better.Sidious never had cause to destroy an entire planet, nor did he every dispatch a Force storm with the intent of doing harm to a planet. There is no proof that a Force storm could not cause damage to large amounts of a planet, if not the entire thing, its a possibility, if not even a likelihood.
At this point, I should just probably link Beni's profile in my bio.
Your entire argument is the most bias thing I have ever read. Like heck, you make fun of LeGenD so much... this is on an entire new level.
You claim because character A never showed the feat, it can therefore not be used as a feat against him, and that he could probably do it too.
I don't think I need to even explain why this is total BS... 😬
Originally posted by DarthAnt66Lol I never said X could probably do it too, I said quite explicitly you can't assume either way.
At this point, I should just probably link Beni's profile in my bio.Your entire argument is the most bias thing I have ever read. Like heck, you make fun of LeGenD so much... this is on an entire new level.
You claim because character A never showed the feat, it can therefore not be used as a feat against him, and that [b]he could probably do it too.
I don't think I need to even explain why this is total BS... 😬 [/B]
I'm saying that if you can't make a comparison, you can't make assumptions, and it's true you can't.
But good to see you've finally managed to articulate yourself.
@ Legend
Regarding the Zabraks vs Sidious:
The fact that it wasn't a one-shot stomp makes it even more impressive. I usually compare the fight to Vitiate vs Revan. Sidious could've one-shotted them from the beginning just like Vitiate could to Revan. However, they both tried to toy with their enemies first. Sidious by dueling and Vitiate with the force. Vitiate failed to do so. Revan was too powerful to toy with where Sidious utterly mocked the brothers and was able to keep the fight going as long as he wanted to. It is a more humiliating stomp compared to other force users getting one-shot.
As for Starkiller:
Zenwolf already posted what I was talking about and Tempest explained why it should be taken seriously so I won't explain it again. Sidious single-handedly wrecked Galen who is insanely powerful. Simple as that.
Here is my main argument regarding Vitiate vs Sidious:
They are comparable in the force. Both have immense power and an a deep understanding of the dark side. However, in DE Palpatine has surpassed any other sith in force powers. It would still be an excellent force fight between the two though. But, Vitiate is not a master of close ranged combat where Sidious is the greatest of all times in this regard as well. The slight superiority in the force + being tiers above in dueling will guarantee Sidious the victory.
Originally posted by psmith81992
How do you defeat a living sith spirit that refuses to take a body and can ritually annihilate a planet?
Are we talking about the formless spirit Vitiate? We have very little information on him and how he does what he does. I'm not even sure what kind of an existence he has become tbh. I was talking about SWTOR Vitiate but didn't disregard his new feats for the sake of argument.
Originally posted by psmith81992What's your point?
Again with the negatives.
Originally posted by The_TempestOn the topic of Force storms, Sidious actually partially mastered this technique prior to Dark Empire.
There's already proof that Force storms can tear the surfaces off worlds and the wording is very clear. Pursuing that line of inquiry is a waste of time.
So it could be applied to ROTJ Sidious as well.
What's your point?
On the topic of Force storms, Sidious actually partially mastered this technique prior to Dark Empire.So it could be applied to ROTJ Sidious as well.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
I'd like an explicit quote, or its guesswork at best.
The Dread Masters casted powerful images on a Republic task force (fleet) and this resulted in the devastation of the task force.
The remains of starships floating around Oricon belong to the referred task force.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Far less so than its inferiority to Emperor's ritual, which you've fail to provide solid basis would require more power.
In contrast, Darth Sidious never had centuries to grow in power.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Need I also add it can rend the very fabric of time and space?
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Its destructive power is superior in every respect.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Do you understand what an assumption is? Your assuming that because Darth Sidious has not done it he cannot. You have no basis for claiming as much as therefore your options are as follows:1. You assume nothing i.e. that Darth Sidious cannot do this and is therefore inferior to the Sith Emperor, because you have no proof.
2. You accept the likelihood that he could, and Vitiate's inferiority.
2. Vitiate's superiority is solid; he have documented evidence of ravaging an entire planet with his powers under his belt.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
In the contexts of Darth Sidious, the only person he'd ever seen use this power.
Darth Rivan also conjured a Force Storm (Wormhole) with aid from the Dark Staff. The power conjured was so intense that it teleported Rivan to future and sapped his powers, but it didn't destroy the planet that Rivan inhabited. It destroyed Rivan's army at maximum.
Originally posted by Beniboybling
Note, their is a difference between never having done so, and having the power to do so, learn it.I've provided my proof, provide yours tbh.
"I admit I am not yet able to completely control this phenomenon." (Book of Anger, Darth Sidious)