Originally posted by Silent Master
I can quote you telling people to stop posting at least 5 times, talk about double standards.
Yeah, telling people to stop insulting my persona! When have i insulted or used personal comments towards someone?
Your attempts of insulting me are useless Silent. Am too big for your games. Now if you don't mind, putting you in the ignore list once again.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
LOLIf you call that evidence then you might as well quit.
Now sure Marvel might turn around in the next movie and state it as a fact, but until they do, it's not.
And there's certainly nothing to point out HUlk's anger is Limitless. And we already know Hulk can be KO'd.
HAHAHA. Now you realize that i never based my case on mere Wiki links.
Goodbye Dark Thor! Talk in another thread okay.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yeah, telling people to stop insulting my persona! When have i insulted or used personal comments towards someone?Your attempts of insulting me are useless Silent. Am too big for your games. Now if you don't mind, putting you in the ignore list once again.
No, I can quote you telling them to stop posting, not stop insulting. just admit to your double standards.
Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Already answered it. It's the last thing am answering too. Not willing to debate anymore, you are just trolling.
No you didn't. It's a direct double-standard you've been applying and you never answered it. If you truly did, it wouldn't be so hard to just answer it again. You obviously have the time and energy to continue to reply to this thread, so there's no logical reason for you not to restate your argument for clarity's sake.
P.S. - Actually pointing out inconsistencies in someone else's arguments is a legitimate debating tactic. Not trolling.
Originally posted by FrothByte
No you didn't. It's a direct double-standard you've been applying and you never answered it. If you truly did, it wouldn't be so hard to just answer it again. You obviously have the time and energy to continue to reply to this thread, so there's no logical reason for you not to restate your argument for clarity's sake.P.S. - Actually pointing out inconsistencies in someone else's arguments is a legitimate debating tactic. Not trolling.
True, did you like how I got him to admit that only things from wikis that he agrees with count?
In any case, now that I've finally watched Ragnarok I realize just how ridiculous it is that some people here still think Hulk can win an all out fight against Thor.
A Thor who was clearly holding back, trying to reason with Hulk, who didn't have Mjolnir with him, was able to dominate Hulk in melee for about 3/4 of their match. Hulk was eventually able to get Thor in a vulnerable position and started pounding on him and it seemed Thor was done for. And to be frank, none of us ever thought that Thor could win against Hulk in pure fisticuffs anyway. It wouldn't make sense to have the Avenger who's powers are specifically made for brawling to lose in a pure brawl against other Avengers. Though it does beg the questions of how well Hulk would have faired in a pure melee against Thor if:
1. Thor had been fighting seriously right from the start
2. Thor had been fighting melee armed with weapons that weren't getting wrecked by Hulk
3. Thor had been fighting melee armed with Mjolnir
And that's just melee. As soon as Thor tapped into his lightning powers, a single lightning-punch flattened Hulk. It should be noted that even after getting multiple direct punches to the face from Hulk, Thor wasn't knocked out and didn't suffer any major injuries. Do you think that had the roles been changed, had it been Thor raining down lightning-charged punch after punch into Hulk's face that he would have faired better?
And this was Thor just starting to use his powers. Considering how much Hulk struggled with Thor, I think it's clear that had he started the fight already going all out, utilizing his powers to the fullest, Hulk would have been outmatched. That's not even considering the scenario of a fully powered Thor armed w/ Mjolnir going for the kill.
Originally posted by FrothByte
In any case, now that I've finally watched Ragnarok I realize just how ridiculous it is that some people here still think Hulk can win an all out fight against Thor.
Honestly they know he can’t. Which is why the biggest Hulk fans are arguing for it being a stalemate, and the best argument the trolling Hulk fan(boy)s can give is “The Quinjet said so” facepalm
Okay after 2nd viewing I noticed a couple of things:
1) I think this film did actually show Hulk gets stronger through a fight. Thor was seriously beating the crap out of Hulk until Hulk gets some boost in strength where he catches the hammer and beats on Hulk.
2) Thor was definitely winning when GM stopped the fight. Hulk was all groggy, whilst Thor was just fine walking towards him.
It’s pretty clear if Thor wasn’t trying to talk Hulk down, singing him lullabies, and if GM didn’t have a trigger switch on him, then he could/would have taken Hulk out. Both in the first fight, and in the Lightning battle.
But to be fair, Hulk fans do have the “Hulk for stronger” thing, which I think will be more apparent to everyone once we have th clips to argue with.
But I think for the most part Hulk fans have accepted Hulk isn’t > Thor, hence why it’s pretty quiet here.
Originally posted by playa1258False, he gave the lightning to Hulk and it didn't put him down.
Thor is superior. He was handling the battle just fine and when he got his lighting back he had the edge.The combination of skill, strength, durability and firepower gives Thor the edge.
GM used the device on Thor for a reason.
GM was a control freak that's true but we don't know how the fight would have ended. Hulk took everything Thor dished and was still in the fight.
Thor has the skill edge but strength and durability are clearly Hulk's advantages. Physicality is the Hulk's forte.
Originally posted by Darth ThorYou said Thor wouldn't use lightning and said Hulk couldn't withstand it. Wrong on both counts.
I said Thor would 1 shot Hulk with Lightning? Where? Quote me.
GM being a control freak and being corrupt isn't proof Thor would have won it just shows GM wasn't taking the chance.
I said Thor's superior with Lightning, which hasn't been disproven. And actually supported by GM stopping Thor laying another one.[/B]
This doesn't make him the powerhouse of the team. This just makes him the skilled powerful warrior that I've always known him to be whereas Hulk is the raging brute powerhouse whose physicality is superior to Thor's.No it just completely turned the fight around.
You're right Thor hurt him even without Lightning. With Lightning you're dealing with the real powerhouse of the Avenger's.[/B]
Hulk withstood his lightning and his skill. Thor used both. Hulk showed himself to be the powerhouse by ragdolling him. That's a powerhouse move.
Speculation.That's because GM stopped him before he could. [/B]
Both took everything the other one threw their way. Hulk took on the lightning which you claimed he wouldn't withstand.No Hulk took 1 shot from Thor's lightning. Thor took everything Hulk had, repeatedly in the face.
Hulk's clearly not the solo powerhouse of the team.
Your best argument is that he's the joint top powerhouse with Thor. Whereas I can easily argue Hulk couldn't have taken much more.[/B]
Hulk ragdolled him. Powerhouses can toss the other weaker character like a female. Thor had skill and charged attacks but he can't ragdoll Hulk. It's like saying Shawn Michaels fly all over Hulk Hogan and hurt him with his quicker attacks while Hogan can manhandle him because he's the powerhouse of the two. With that being said Sahwn can hurt Hogan and is much quicker. I'm beginning to think you don't grasp what a powerhouse is and confuse hurting someone with being a powerhouse. It isn't the same thing.
Hulk is the strongest avenger and ragdolled him. Period. That's what powerhouses do.😂
Oh look what the Hulk fan(boy)s are reduced to. [/B]