Originally posted by Robtard
We're talking from a strength point of view, neither Gungir or the scepter increased Loki's strength (unless someone has proof?), they just happened to be two weapons that are durable enough to not break against Mjolnir.
Right.
I was just pointing out that the reason Loki effectively was able to block the hammer was because he did it using equally "magical" items. Not by his own strength.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Normally, not a chance.However, If the Hulk is holding back as much as Thor generally does when fighting Loki, then yes, I could see Loki blocking a strike with a lot of effort.
So IYO, every time Thor swung Mjolnir at Loki and Loki blocked it, Thor swung the hammer purposely with just the right amount of force to allow Loki to block?
Remember, this is a guy who was about to outright murder Captain America (didn't know Cap was super and the shield was special) over a passing comment.
Originally posted by Robtard
Do you believe Loki is strong enough to block and hold an overhand smash from the Hulk?
I believe he is strong enough to deflect the blow if not outright stop it in its tracks. I don't know why people keep underestimating Loki's strength. He may not be as strong as Thor but he's definitely within his range.
Originally posted by FrothByte
I believe he is strong enough to deflect the blow if not outright stop it in its tracks. I don't know why people keep underestimating Loki's strength. He may not be as strong as Thor but he's definitely within his range.
Loki isn't in Thor's range cause as soon as Thor is done holding back and entertaining Loki's games, he drops him.
Loki was above Captain in Avengers by a margin, now its probably neck and neck considering how strong Cap has gotten.
Hulk would drop Loki in one hit.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Loki isn't in Thor's range cause as soon as Thor is done holding back and entertaining Loki's games, he drops him.Loki was above Captain in Avengers by a margin, now its probably neck and neck considering how strong Cap has gotten.
Hulk would drop Loki in one hit.
Loki is within Thor's range because if he wasn't then it would only take Thor one hit to knock him the F out. Or Thor could just walk through him. The simple fact that Thor actually had to take him seriously before he could beat him up shows that he's within Thor's range.
Plus the fact that he can block blows from Thor.
Loki took Cap's whirling kick straight on and didn't even get knocked back. Neck and neck my ass. When Cap is strong enough to kick Thor several feet back then he's within Loki's league.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Did you not read?"Loki was above Captain in Avengers by a margin, [b]now its probably neck and neck considering how strong Cap has gotten."
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I read it alright. You were wrong already when you said "by a margin" and then you're even more wrong by saying "now it's probably neck and neck" because even though Cap has gotten better feats as of late, he's still not at Asgardian-level strength... unless you think he can start easily pushing around cars now?
Originally posted by FrothByte
I read it alright. You were wrong already when you said "by a margin" and then you're even more wrong by saying "now it's probably neck and neck" because even though Cap has gotten better feats as of late, he's still nowhere near Asgardian-level strength... unless you think he can start easily pushing around cars now?
Loki isn't Asgardian, he's a runt frost giant..
Cap was strong enough to hold a car from falling off a ledge and lift a extremely heavy beam off Bucky..
When did Loki push a car around btw, because we both know that never happened.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Loki isn't Asgardian, he's a runt frost giant..Cap was strong enough to hold a car from falling off a ledge and lift a extremely heavy beam off Bucky..
When did Loki push a car around btw, because we both know that never happened.
Prove that Loki is physically weaker than other Asgardians? Because nothing in the movies alluded to that.
Cap holding on to a car from falling (and struggling to do it) is different from just easily pushing it around. Watch AOS, asgardians do it all the time.
But if you want specific Loki feats, his kicks knock Thor back several feet. Thor lands multiple punches on him and he's still not knocked out. He's strong enough to grab Thor and smash him through stuff. Now, tell me you see Cap doing the same thing?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Prove that Loki is physically weaker than other Asgardians? Because nothing in the movies alluded to that.
Cap holding on to a car from falling (and struggling to do it) is different from just pushing it around. Watch AOS, asgardians do it all the time.But if you want specific Loki feats, his kicks knock Thor back several feet. Thor lands multiple punches on him and he's still not knocked out. He's strong enough to grab Thor and smash him through stuff. Now, tell me you see Cap doing the same thing?
Strawman in the first sentence. Start over
Loki didn't push cars around. Invalid feat
I never said Cap could throw Thor around..again Strawman.
Lets face it, you went off the deep end thinking Loki could block Hulks attack.
No he can't..I'm not going to get off topic with you again.
Loki can't stop Hulk's attacks.
Case closed.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Strawman in the first sentence. Start over
Loki didn't push cars around. Invalid featI never said Cap could throw Thor around..again Strawman.
Lets face it, you went off the deep end thinking Loki could block Hulks attack.
No he can't..I'm not going to get off topic with you again.
Loki can't stop Hulk's attacks.
Case closed.
So... you're dodging my arguments again because you can't counter them? You're the one who claimed you think the Loki and Cap might be neck and neck in strength now. Let's face it, I mentioned actual strength feats that Loki displayed and you couldn't imagine Cap doing the same thing.
It's fine if you don't want to go off topic but be a man about it and just say it straight instead of trying to use "strawman" as a scapegoat.
Besides, I never said Loki can stop Hulk's attacks. I said he should be strong enough to deflect it.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Hmmm... maybe my sentence construction wasn't the best in that first sentence. What I wanted to say was that he's strong enough to deflect the blow even if he's not strong enough to outright stop it in it's tracks.
Ok well it seems you meant it when you said it but ok.
How is he deflecting his attacks? When a large green arm the size of his body is coming at him, he has two choices, evade, or get crushed..blocking is not an option. Cap did cause him enough trouble to see Hulk would completely dominate him..
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Ok well it seems you meant it when you said it but ok.How is he deflecting his attacks? When a large green arm the size of his body is coming at him, he has two choices, evade, or get crushed..blocking is not an option. Cap did cause him enough trouble to see Hulk would completely dominate him..
Do you understand what happens when you deflect a blow?